S10 spindle v Monza spindle

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S10 spindle v Monza spindle

Postby ozzymoose » Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:11 am

Just wondering if anyone had pictures of the Monza and S10 front spindle side by side. Also any measurements of both would be great--- distance between balljoint mounting faces, distance from the centreline of the balljoint mounts to the hub mounting face, ect.
Any help will be greatly appreciated. Cheers Moose
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Postby awb503 » Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:36 am

Picture from v8monza.com:

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Postby ozzymoose » Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:56 am

Thankyou Thomas, not much difference at all with the measurements that came with the pictures, I now feel a swap wouldnt be all that worrying, think i will go with the beefy S10 balljoints though.Do you, or anyone else know if the hub face/spindle sits further outboard with the S10 assembly?? Does that extra 1/2 inch on the length of the tierod arm affect the turn circle much??The more i look into this the more i like it lol. Thanks all
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Postby AusRs » Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:15 am

HZ Holden spindles will also work if you feel the need to convert to 5 lug .......benefits are the parts are available in Aus !
i kind of figure use the HZ upper ball joints as a bolt in and get adapters for the bottom ball joint ...thats about as far as i heve got into thinking about the swap ...that and getting hold of a set of spindles/rotors/hubs
also remember that the HZ had 2 different lenght steering arms ......1 for power steer and one for manual steer !
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Postby heinz057 » Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:47 am

the turning circle does get larger
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Postby ozzymoose » Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:30 am

Thank you Heinz & Ausrs, and i was thinking thw other day bout the HZ spindles, I remember they where bout the right size (will have to measure), and that info bout the arms will come in handy. Would be great if they are a realy good fit give our US friends another choice if it works! MMMMM we will see.
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Postby SunbirdMan » Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:37 am

I've just done the swap but haven't got tires on it to check evrything out. My crude measurements showed that the face of the rotor is inboard about 3/8" from the stock h-body, narrowing the wheel track 3/4".
Also, as far as turning radius, there is a stop on the rear of the lower control arm where the spindle hits. This can be modified to allow the wheels to turn more (According to what others have said, I haven't got to it yet).
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Postby heinz057 » Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:05 am

on my 78 wagon i modified the stops and the turning radius is still larger i'm using 15x7 with 3 3/4 back spacing and 195 60 15 hope that helps
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Postby awb503 » Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:04 pm

My turning radius is like an old front drive car.... bad :(
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Postby ozzymoose » Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:28 am

Thanks for the input guys, AWB503....... how much worse is your turning circle now as compared to when you had the 4 lug set up?? have you got a locker diff in that thing??Sunbird man let me know please how you go with tire fitment and what you think once its all done!- cheers all Moose
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Postby awb503 » Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:08 pm

ozzymoose wrote:Thanks for the input guys, AWB503....... how much worse is your turning circle now as compared to when you had the 4 lug set up?? have you got a locker diff in that thing??Sunbird man let me know please how you go with tire fitment and what you think once its all done!- cheers all Moose


I dont know for sure how much my turning radius/circle are now, i can not do an u-turn on an normal Swedish road who are approx 12 meters. I was not the best turning radius before my swap, but it become worse now. And I have an open rear. On the other side, if you know it, you planning you drive after that 8)

A little story about this problem:

Last month I had the car for 'safety inspection' ( every second year for cars older than 30y in Sweden), and the man who inspect my car was a bit confused about the turning radius and checked if the spindles realy went all way to the stop at LCA. When he saw that it does, it was OK.
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Postby avitet » Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:55 pm

has anyone looked at the b-body spindel i belive its about a 1/2 inch wider the the s-10/g-body spindel
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Postby monzamess » Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:26 am

B-body spindles are over an inch taller between the ball joints. I think that messes with the suspension geometry too much. I tried an X-body spindle (taller than S-10/H-body, maybe the same as B-body) and basically it had the effect of raising the upper a-arm at a weird angle and causing uncorrectable positive camber (pushed the top of the wheel out).
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Postby peterpan » Fri Oct 20, 2006 9:46 pm

i have done the s-10 swap to my 72 vega with bobs adapters but i have never drove it so i can't say how it all works on the road but it was easy and i think it will work great on my car i disassembled it after getting it all done to paint my chasis but i think its about the best way to get 5 lug and better brakes not to mention more available parts
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Postby MonzaRacer » Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:48 am

As for turning radius i never had any trouble when I did my 77. I used Bob gumms adapters and a set of 86 S10 spindles and now thing I wnat to go to 98-02 2wd Blazer spindles as they use slide on rotor and sealed bearing/hub. and I can add on c5/c6 Vette brakes after going to 17 in wheels.
I ran 225 50 15 on 15x7's with 3 5/8 back space. On my rear end I usedthe complete s10 rearend and used 15x8.5 with 3 5/8 back space and 275 60 15 tires and I use the stock 76-up master cylinder as it has same caliper bore as s10, and if you use power (monzr brake master and s10 rear use power whl cyl, if manual use manual.
with s10 brakes and using Raybestos Brute stop brakes and Autozone Albany S10 rear brakes it would out stoip a z06 'Vette back in 01.
Now building a new 77.
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