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Re: H-Body PRODUCTION NUMBERS ... by RPO Codes

Postby fyrftr50 » Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:11 pm

Clyde
Yeah, I have showing a 16L - Medium Gray Metallic ... for the 2+2. The Towne Coupe did have a few extra TC-only colours, such at 13L Silver Metallic.

All the Lit. I have for 1975 is the dealer brochure (both early 2+2 only and the later 2+2, TC and 'S') and a 2+2 Dealer Ordering Guide, dated Sept 5, 1974, nothing later on in the model year to give me Towne Coupe info ... YET. I may have a line on that coming to me shortly though.
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Re: H-Body PRODUCTION NUMBERS ... by RPO Codes

Postby stage169 » Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:18 pm

I understand.

RPO, QLEE & QLJE both are 78 x 14 (374 & 1140) from the 75 report

You have the same totals (374 & 1140) but show them as B78 x 13B with the codes of QLE & QLJ on your Buick Production List. 14" tire has been stuck in my head since I saw the report? That and a lot of other things :?

Some of the years name the colors different and codes. Look the same to me, I don't know. This is a bit of the 76 report and the hand written number is in the "Available Prior Year" column. There is no 16L for 76. Brian
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Re: H-Body PRODUCTION NUMBERS ... by RPO Codes

Postby stage169 » Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:24 pm

I thought I had seen it in the Buicks, 75 is 16L and they called it Pewter, 76 is 13L and they called it Pewter Gray and 77 it was 13L and they called it Silver.

16 must of only been used in 75? Same for the Buick's.

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13L 1976 SILVER

13L 1977 SILVER

13T 1976

13T 1977

14W 1979

15L 1978 SILVER

15L 1979 SILVER

15L 1980 SILVER

15T 1978

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Re: H-Body PRODUCTION NUMBERS ... by RPO Codes

Postby fyrftr50 » Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:27 pm

Your right about that Buick Domestic & Export Car Report, it does say 78x14, but I have to assume it is a typo, or somthing, the Vehicle ordering guide for 1976 shows both QLE and QLJ as B78x13B bias belted tires (E is blackwall and standard on Skyhawk 'S', J is whitewall and extra charge on the 'S')

I'm working on the RPO Codes list to show all the various colour names that went with the respective Codes, it is a long list with some RPOs having up to 9 different colour names over the years of the code's usage in all 4 models.

stage169 wrote:I understand.

RPO, QLEE & QLJE both are 78 x 14 (374 & 1140) from the 75 report

You have the same totals (374 & 1140) but show them as B78 x 13B with the codes of QLE & QLJ on your Buick Production List. 14" tire has been stuck in my head since I saw the report? That and a lot of other things :?

Some of the years name the colors different and codes. Look the same to me, I don't know. This is a bit of the 76 report and the hand written number is in the "Available Prior Year" column. There is no 16L for 76. Brian
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Re: H-Body PRODUCTION NUMBERS ... by RPO Codes

Postby fyrftr50 » Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:37 pm

13s were used for various silvers from 76-77 and then they went to 15s for the various silvers from 78-80 (although Monza did have a 13 silver for the late entry Towne Coupe).

16 was a '75-only code, Medium Gray Metallic for the Monza, Pewter for the Skyhawk and Shadow Gray for the Starfire

Grays didn't appear again till 1980 and they were an 85 code.

14s and 17s were never used for exterior paint codes.
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Re: H-Body PRODUCTION NUMBERS ... by RPO Codes

Postby monzajer » Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:57 pm

WOW! Great work guys. I sure am glad you are on our side(site). Very interesting info.

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Re: H-Body PRODUCTION NUMBERS ... by RPO Codes

Postby stage169 » Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:03 am

I just threw in those Chevy RPO's to show the numerical order for all the years except 75.

Looking at the 78 report when Silver was 15L the "Available Prior Year" column is typed in NA. In 77 Silver was 13L. So the 76 report has the "Available Prior Year" column hand written in. Somebody took the time to gather that info and put it on the 76 report. Who knows if they made the color connection :D I guess it is possible with almost 70k TC cars made for 75 20k of them were 13L Silver. With both colors being offered that year I guess that has got to be correct? Need that 75 report don't we..........

The 75 Buick Vehicle Ordering Guide only shows three RPO's for tires QBR, QBY & QBV. It's dated 10-21-74, Who knows but that is a lot of cars made with 14" tires considering a 75 Hawk showed up with a Targa Band one of only 245 made with one in 75.

Hey Bryan we might be able to come close on Clyde's color. If you know the colors for the Monza in 75 and his is the only one not included for 76 we can get close. Just a thought.

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Re: H-Body PRODUCTION NUMBERS ... by RPO Codes

Postby fyrftr50 » Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:03 am

stage169 wrote:I just threw in those Chevy RPO's to show the numerical order for all the years except 75.

Looking at the 78 report when Silver was 15L the "Available Prior Year" column is typed in NA. In 77 Silver was 13L. So the 76 report has the "Available Prior Year" column hand written in. Somebody took the time to gather that info and put it on the 76 report. Who knows if they made the color connection :D I guess it is possible with almost 70k TC cars made for 75 20k of them were 13L Silver. With both colors being offered that year I guess that has got to be correct? Need that 75 report don't we.......... HEHE, yeah, we definitely need the 1975 report - I'm sure the Vega guys would like us to get our hands on it as well.

The 75 Buick Vehicle Ordering Guide only shows three RPO's for tires QBR, QBY & QBV. It's dated 10-21-74, Who knows but that is a lot of cars made with 14" tires considering a 75 Hawk showed up with a Targa Band one of only 245 made with one in 75. Your certainly right about this, it does lead to some confusion (I have the same dated report) but looking at the actual Wholesale Car Order sheet, there are no options for tire size, just tire type (steel belted radial blackwall, whitewall and white billboard lettered tires as well as the bias ply whitewalls)

Hey Bryan we might be able to come close on Clyde's color. If you know the colors for the Monza in 75 and his is the only one not included for 76 we can get close. Just a thought.
I know what your saying but we don't know all the ROPO Codes for the 1975 colours (just the 2+2 hatchback colours, not the 'S' and TC ones), I know names, from the dealer brochures but little else and there were always 14 exterior colours offered each year, except that 1975 offered a whole bunch more due to the TC having it's own colours.
Hatchback - 11L-Antique White, 16L-Medium Gray Metallic, 21L-Silver-Blue Metallic, 26L-Bright Blue Metallic, 49L-Dark Green Metallic, 50L-Cream Beige, 51L-Bright Yellow, 75L-Light Red, 79L-Burgundy Metallic & 80L-Orange Metallic. The Towne Coupe came in these same colours as the Hatchbacks - Antique White, Bright Blue Metallic, Dark Green Metallic, Cream Beige, Bright Yellow, Light Red, Orange Metallic but also offered different colours - Silver Metallic, Dark Blue Metallic, Bronza Metallic, Firethorn Metallic, Light Green Metallic & Mahogany Metallic. That's 16 total colours with 16 different RPO COdes so we can't calculate Clyde's production number for his colour because the 1976 report only has 14 colours reported for the the Monza and some will be different from 75 to 76 (the gray and silver for example
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Re: H-Body PRODUCTION NUMBERS ... by RPO Codes

Postby marco_1978_spyder » Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:02 pm

That's a lot of record keeping for a pre-computer society,lol.

Not to mention these totals are the combination of 2 different assembly plants thousands of miles apart...

St.Therese Quebec and SouthGate, California.

Here's splitting hairs....Imagine separating the totals between Cali's water based Paints (W in front of paint code on trim tag), vs St.Therese's lacquer paint.
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Re: H-Body PRODUCTION NUMBERS ... by RPO Codes

Postby marco_1978_spyder » Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:28 pm

Aslo I noticed with the 1978 Paint codes...referenced against my total's, you have the numbers exactly right.

My list has 2 code totals reversed from yours 61 = 11,076 and 63 = 7,185 (you have 7,195)

I see it leaves 1193 Unaccounted for cars. I've often wondered if this was just a book keeping error (seems most likely to me) or were there some fleet vehicles built that didn't get any of these standard colors...although you'd think they'd at least get painted white.
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Re: H-Body PRODUCTION NUMBERS ... by RPO Codes

Postby fyrftr50 » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:16 pm

Marco
Not sure what to make of the reversed numbers for those 2 codes, although yours states 7,185 and mine 7,195. I was hoping mine was one of the many areas that are blurred or have ink runs and are harder to read but the 7,195 is perfectly clear so I know it isn't a typo on my end. It also matches the math and totals for all Chevys made with that colour so it isn't a math error on the report I have.

I cannot explain why there are over 1000 exterior colours missing from this report it boggles the mind how it could be so far off, almost like a totally different colour is missing from the books (albeit a little used one, lol) but the reports I have show ALL colours for ALL Chevys made for each year. It isn't just a Monza report, it covers all RPOs and all models for Chevy so there isn't a missing colour anywhere and all 14 Monza colours are present and accounted for. Go figure!!!!!!!!!!!!

ANOTHER CONUNDRUM!!! (sp?)

What years were Monza made in Southgate, Ste. Therese and Lordstown??? because i have the following stats which show they were build both in Canada and US for 75-78, then US-only for 79 and 80.

1975 - Total US inc. export 66,615 - Imports from Canada 69,588 - now ONLY the late model Towne Coupes are shown as coming from US, while all hatches and very few TC came from Canada
1976 - Total US inc. export 37,392 - Imports from Canada 43-513 - both models were shown for both locations
1977 - Total US inc. export 6,230 - Imports from Canada - 67,118 - the US 6,230 were only Towne Coupes, all hatches from Canada
1978 - Total US inc. export 138,825 - Imports from Canada - 7 - YES only 7 from Canada (1-M07, 4-M27 & 2-R07) - wasn't all production taken to lordstown for 1978???
1979 - Total US inc. export 163,833 - Imports from Canada - NONE (correct, all production in Lordstown)
1980 - Total US inc. export 169,418 - imports from Canada - NONE (again, which should be correct, but need a 1981 report for total fall production numbers)
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Re: H-Body PRODUCTION NUMBERS ... by RPO Codes

Postby res0o7eb » Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:13 am

Bryan,

Total 2M27 Pontiac Sunbird Sport Coupe...............316,659
Total 2M07 Pontiac Sunbird Sport Hatchback..........132,277
Total 2E07 Pontiac Sunbird Hatchback..................105,847
Total 2E27 Pontiac Sunbird Coupe........................67,691
Total 2M15 Pontiac Sunbird Sport Safari Wagon........44,634

Total Pontiac Sunbird Production........................479,967
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Re: H-Body PRODUCTION NUMBERS ... by RPO Codes

Postby fyrftr50 » Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:25 am

thanks for pointing that out Tom, somehow I messed up the autosum feature on the Sunbirds ... just testing you, keeping you on your toes!!!
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Re: H-Body PRODUCTION NUMBERS ... by RPO Codes

Postby mrj52 » Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:11 pm

This is serious frothing at the mouth enthusiasm to do all that numbers crunching!!! Thanks TIM
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Re: H-Body PRODUCTION NUMBERS ... by RPO Codes

Postby fyrftr50 » Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:37 pm

u have no idea, none, lol. I've just begun crunching this stuff, the buick numbers allow for a lot more crunching than the others, I'll be busy for a while yet.
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