Pertronics No Start - '73 GT V8

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Re: Pertronics No Start - '73 GT V8

Postby Smiley » Fri May 02, 2014 10:22 pm

v8 Monza's came with them stock, Vega firewalls may need a slight hammer massage depending on how far back your motor is mounted. I used an HEI in my 72 Vega with Hooker front mounts. Usually the trans tunnel needs more reshaping for V8 swaps than the firewall for an HEI.
1st gen Chevy small block V8's 55 and up and big blocks can share distributors.
86 and later roller cam motors use a different distributor gear for steel roller cam compatability

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Re: Pertronics No Start - '73 GT V8

Postby Smiley » Sat May 03, 2014 6:46 am

a little pricey but cool Accel "corrected" cap for HEI, no more crossed wires.

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Re: Pertronics No Start - '73 GT V8

Postby ol55 » Fri May 09, 2014 8:03 pm

At this point I am still trying to get some Bang out of the Pertronics or a points distributor. A friend came over and found no continuity in the spark plug wire. Replaced that and tried the points dizzy. The distributor is grounded to the engine but I am wondering if the engine needs to be/is grounded to the body. I have 12v at the coil ( three coils so far).

Not saying a new dizzy won't go in but the problem has me puzzled and I would like to figure it out (stubborn and maybe not the brightest bulb).

Appreciate any input,
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Re: Pertronics No Start - '73 GT V8

Postby Smiley » Fri May 09, 2014 8:33 pm

For suppression plug wires,
If the readout on the meter is under 10,000 ohms the plug wires are typically good.
Its always good to have a ground strap from the body to the motor, unless you use solid steel motor mounts or your negative battery cable has 2 leads: the fat one to the block and a thinner one to the body.
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Re: Pertronics No Start - '73 GT V8

Postby spencerforhire » Fri May 09, 2014 8:40 pm

Kind of late to this party, but I will try to help. You have tested and found 12V+ at the coil, so what you appear to possibly be missing is the negative pulse from the Pertronix module(or points). Best way to test for that is with an old school test light. If you don't have one, any small automotive light bulb will work. First step is to test the + of the coil(with the ignition on) to the battery -, the body and the engine block. All three should be similar brightness. Then crank over the starter; it's ok for it to dim a little but it should NOT go out. Then test from the - on the coil to the + of the battery; the light should flash when you crank it over. No flash= bad module. Flash but no start or no spark = bad coil or bad plugs or wires.
The10,000 to 15,000 ohms that Smiley suggests is actually kind of high. Most performance wires would be less than 1000 ohms per foot. What you're looking for really is consistency; if one wire reads 1000 ohms and another reads 15,000 you have a problem.
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Re: Pertronics No Start - '73 GT V8

Postby ol55 » Mon May 19, 2014 7:37 pm

If it is not running, it's never too late to join the party!

spencerforhire wrote:Kind of late to this party, but I will try to help. You have tested and found 12V+ at the coil, so what you appear to possibly be missing is the negative pulse from the Pertronix module(or points). Best way to test for that is with an old school test light. If you don't have one, any small automotive light bulb will work. First step is to test the + of the coil(with the ignition on) to the battery -, the body and the engine block. All three should be similar brightness.yes Then crank over the starter; it's ok for it to dim a little but it should NOT go out. yesThen test from the - on the coil to the + of the battery; the light should flash when you crank it over. No flash= bad module.NO flash Flash but no start or no spark = bad coil or bad plugs or wires.
The10,000 to 15,000 ohms that Smiley suggests is actually kind of high. Most performance wires would be less than 1000 ohms per foot. What you're looking for really is consistency; if one wire reads 1000 ohms and another reads 15,000 you have a problem.


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Re: Pertronics No Start - '73 GT V8

Postby ol55 » Mon May 19, 2014 8:02 pm

Update: Put in points distributor and had flashing light. Poured in a little gas and it fired. Not all 8 and not the right timing but I'll take it! :th:

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Re: Pertronics No Start - '73 GT V8

Postby ol55 » Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:27 pm

Had & am having wiring issues so I bought the HEI set up recommended by Smiley :th: What wires (locally available) should I use? Anything but NAPA blue as I have had trouble with them.

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Re: Pertronics No Start - '73 GT V8

Postby Smiley » Tue Jul 15, 2014 6:23 pm

75 to 80 chevy cars with the smallblock V8 came with an HEI distributor so the wires should work.
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Re: Pertronics No Start - '73 GT V8

Postby spencerforhire » Wed Jul 16, 2014 7:08 am

I've always been a fan of the universal spark plug wire kits that only have the plug end and boot pre-installed and you cut each one to fit and then crimp on the cap end. A little more work, but you can route them however you like and the finished product certainly looks neater. The choice of angled or straight boots(or a mix of the two) is determined by what exhaust headers/manifolds you have.
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72 Vega HB Drag Car -383/'Glide/9"(9.35@146.19)(5.94@117.28 1/8th)
77 Vega Estate wagon- project(someday)will have TPI305/T-5, S-10 spindles/axles
76 Vega GT- 400/4spd/9" retired from active duty(rusty)
06 Silverado 2WD ex.cab daily
03 Silverado 2WD ex.cab (retired)
06 Haulin' 20ft enclosed car transporter
06 GMC Canyon Shop truck
07 Colorado project( 5.3 4L60e swap)
99 Saturn SL1- wife's car
01 Saturn SC2- son's project
07 Saturn Ion Redline project
and 4 more Saturn "parts cars"
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Re: Pertronics No Start - '73 GT V8

Postby ol55 » Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:53 pm

:th: Not the cleanest install but it works (so far)! On to fuel, electrical, suspension, more electrical, etc..

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Should have gone with the cut to length wires but I kept flashing back to high school when I did such a poor job on those. The kits now look like an improvement.


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