What type of oil in an unsleeved 140?

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What type of oil in an unsleeved 140?

Postby rhyolite » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:46 am

Hi guys,

In the forest of oil types I could really use some advice ..
The H-bodies are not showing up in any resellers database so for now it's a best guess situation.

What would be a good type of oil for an unsleeved 140 engine?
I'm planning to add some TSL additive, heard some good stories about it, so seemed a good idea.
http://www.tsl-oil.com/products-page/oil-fortifier/olieversterker-05ltr/ (it's in english :) )

I'm guessing a mineral oil is the most logical choice.
Outside temperatures in NL are no extremes, the cars won't be abused and is the one currently running is doing fine and not smoking.

Any help would be appreciated :)

Thanks,

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Re: What type of oil in an unsleeved 140?

Postby kgroombr » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:12 am

I run Mobil 1 high mileage full synthetic 10w-40 with the addition of a ZDDP additive in my 47000 mile 77 GT. Has been working great for me.

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Re: What type of oil in an unsleeved 140?

Postby jim327monza » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:09 pm

tiemen,you mite want to check out valvoline VR1. this is valvoline racing oil and still has all the "old school" additives in it. It is available from most parts stores though they may haft to order it.
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Re: What type of oil in an unsleeved 140?

Postby beakerztoyz » Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:36 pm

I believe Lucas also makes an oil with all the old school additives in it
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Re: What type of oil in an unsleeved 140?

Postby Monza Harry » Thu Dec 25, 2014 12:50 am

Most "Diesel" oils are supposed to have the ZDDP* as well, but I wouldn't expect the levels of say twenty years ago, they have been cut back like just about everything else. An example is "Shell Rotella", but I seem to recall that lower viscosity formulations are limited on the shelf (15/40 & 20/50 are pretty common). (*This would be mainly for cam/follower life mainly) Harry
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Re: What type of oil in an unsleeved 140?

Postby beakerztoyz » Fri Dec 26, 2014 1:19 am

I heard something about diesel oils before... can you run diesel oils in a gas motor?
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Re: What type of oil in an unsleeved 140?

Postby Monza Harry » Fri Dec 26, 2014 2:15 am

Yes this is recommended by many, for any flat tappet cammed motors. ZDDP is required for those cams according to many builders, but has been phased out for most newer engines as "roller cams" don't require this and as it is burned by the engine it coats and blocks the effectiveness of the catalytic convertor. That is the reason for the gov't mandating it's elimination from the mainstream. ZDDP is one of the (main) components used for "Extreme Pressure Additive" That is the main difference between "motor oil" and "diesel oil", as these additives add cost they Oil Co.'s. can charge more. Harry
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Re: What type of oil in an unsleeved 140?

Postby rhyolite » Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:57 pm

Thanks :)

Although the answers were not really conclusive (read : all over the place :) ) I think I will figure it out from here.
ZDDP was mentioned alot and togheter with the TSL I was already mentioned it should do the trick :)
I'm thinking on a good quality 10w-40 mineral :) (synthetic just doesn't feel right :) )

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Re: What type of oil in an unsleeved 140?

Postby rhyolite » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:25 am

Just for your interest :)

After some reading and trying to get my hands on ZDDP (that was a real pain in the @#! , they actually have never heard of it in NL)

Comma classic oil, 20w-50 with 800 PPM ZDDP
Additional TSL oil fortifier
Additional ZDDP additive (to boost the ZDDP levels a little higher)

I asked around here, the answer I got most : 20w-50 they all use it .... (asking why was useless, sounded like a record being stuck, they all use it, they all ... ) :)
Didn't want to follow the herd, I want to make my own decisions and also want to know why I make it :)

Thanks for the advice guys, the ZDDP was a nice eye-opener :)
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Re: What type of oil in an unsleeved 140?

Postby cammerjeff » Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:41 am

I am just leary of using full synthetic oils in engines that were not designed for them, there is no telling what it might do to individual seals or gaskets. And I do not like experimenting for the oil companies on my cars!!!! I have heard some people have no issues and other people have told me of that their engines started leaking oil shortly after switching over. I think that a good qualit conventional oil with ZDDP would be just fine. I personally run Brad Penn brand and have it delivered tomyhouse via Amazon.
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Re: What type of oil in an unsleeved 140?

Postby dindin » Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:27 pm

From what I have read the zinc is just for the type of valvetrain on older cars, nothing to do with a sleeved or non sleeved engine, as far a synthetic goes, I think proper weight is more important and frequesnt oil changes..someone makes a classic car oil.
http://www.classiccarmotoroil.com/ they seem to have if figured out I guess..

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Re: What type of oil in an unsleeved 140?

Postby dindin » Fri May 08, 2015 1:11 pm

I decided to contact pennzoil and see what they recommend for oil they sell.

"Hello Al,



Thank you for your inquiry on engine oil. The Shell Rotella Triple Protection 15W-40 is and API SM rated gasoline engine oil. It has the right amount of zinc(1200 ppm) that your older flat tappet engine needs.



If you have any further questions please call our hotline at: 1-800-237-8645, option3, 2."

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