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1978 Pontiac Sunbird.

Postby JHCRAGGAR » Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:40 pm

Hello all the way from Norway im a new guy here. So I guess i have to tell my storie of how i got my hands on a Pontiac Sunbird.

I was born in 1988 and my mom and dad broke up in late 1989 so i never got to meet my dad before 2003.
When i was gonna meet my dad for the first time i remeber i saw a black car sitting in a corner on his property
and my first words that day was Hey thats a Pontiac Transss emm no thats not a trans am its to small what is it?
And my Dad told me its a Pontiac Sunbrid.

And that was how i was Introduced to the Pontiac Sunbird :)

Some years later in 2008 my Dad was cleaning up his property and got rid of some scrap cars and some other junk
so i did ask him what are you gonna do with the Pontiac? and he told me he was gonna scrap it :shock:
At that point i asked him how much he wanted for the car and he just gave me the car.
And that was a big moment for me since i always wanted an old classic Muscle car. I know the Sunbird its not a Muscle car
but it used to do 0 to 60 mph in under 2 seconds with the old engine.

So now i have a 1978 Pontiac Sunbird with no engine and a Seized transmission oh and thats not the best part
it got rust :th:

When i got the car home it sat for a year before i got around to it and its in a bad shape.
I know why my dad did stop driving it and thats because of a crack in the engine block and 2 pistons was bad.

Im gonna post some more pictures at a later time but i have a small problem more like 4 small problems.
Since 2008 i have tried to get some rims that fit my car and ive hit a wall every time.
Thanks to this forum i've learned that the bolt pattern is 4x101,6 or close to it but what is the offset?
To this day there is 2 Bmw wheels in the front and i have no idea whats on the back wheels and all 4 rims have the 4x100 bolt pattern.
I did try some rims that was 13" 4x101,6 and the offset at 0 but it hit the caliper and thats a no go :/

I like to apologize for my bad English since i had to learn english true movies and video games.
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Just some rust
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It has begun
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Just some rust
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Re: 1978 Pontiac Sunbird.

Postby JHCRAGGAR » Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:46 pm

Some more pictures.
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Re: 1978 Pontiac Sunbird.

Postby marco_1978_spyder » Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:21 am

Can you send a picture of the trim tag? or type in what it says? If it has one.
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Re: 1978 Pontiac Sunbird.

Postby JHCRAGGAR » Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:36 am

marco_1978_spyder wrote:Can you send a picture of the trim tag? or type in what it says? If it has one.


Sorry i just checked the engine bay and the firewall and the doores and i dident find anything.
The only thing i have on the car is the vin number.

Anyway here are some more pictures :)
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Driver side.
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Driver side.
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There are rust in places that i dident know about
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passenger side. Oh look i can see my back wheel from here
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Driver side. Oh looke my right back wheel. We got twins Basil twins.
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Re: 1978 Pontiac Sunbird.

Postby JHCRAGGAR » Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:51 am

5 more pictures :)
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Driver side.
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That roof looks so nice.
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Passenger side.
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Im so happy more rust. Passanger side
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Still the back passanger side.
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Re: 1978 Pontiac Sunbird.

Postby JHCRAGGAR » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:58 pm

I got some more pictures.
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Driver side.
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Driver side.
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wannabe Bilstein shocks.
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Wannabe Bilstein shocks.
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Driver side.
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Re: 1978 Pontiac Sunbird.

Postby JHCRAGGAR » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:23 pm

And more pictures.
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The fuel line looks good tho.
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Good more rust.
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More rust.
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Rust.
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Moving to the front of the car.
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Re: 1978 Pontiac Sunbird.

Postby HI WINDING MONZA » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:31 pm

God Bless you if you can fix all that rust....................Thats bad..............I would look for a donor car.

Wheels are 4''x 4 bolt pattern, some British cars have that pattern.

4 on 4"

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Re: 1978 Pontiac Sunbird.

Postby HI WINDING MONZA » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:45 pm

Factory steel wheel ( 13'' diameter) backspacing is 3.5 inches

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Re: 1978 Pontiac Sunbird.

Postby HI WINDING MONZA » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:52 pm

JHCRAGGAR wrote:
marco_1978_spyder wrote:Can you send a picture of the trim tag? or type in what it says? If it has one.


Sorry i just checked the engine bay and the firewall and the doores and i dident find anything.
The only thing i have on the car is the vin number.

Anyway here are some more pictures :)


( near the wiper arms when you open the hood)

Like this:
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Re: 1978 Pontiac Sunbird.

Postby JHCRAGGAR » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:27 pm

HI WINDING MONZA wrote:God Bless you if you can fix all that rust....................Thats bad..............I would look for a donor car.

Wheels are 4''x 4 bolt pattern, some British cars have that pattern.

4 on 4"

Austin-Healey Sprite
Crosley - all '39-'52
MG Midget
Jensen Healey
Opel Manta, Kadette
GM H-body
Buick Skyhawk '75-'80
Chevrolet Vega, Monza '71-'80
Pontiac Sunbird, Astre '76-'80
Oldsmobile Starfire '75-'80




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Thank you good sir. :)
The closest donor car is 8 houers away and thats one way :( + its a Chevrolet Monza and it has no engine and no transmission
and he wants 1800 dollar for it :/ And thats more then what i want to pay for a car that dont run.
And i cant bring my self to start tearing down a good car for parts.

Here are some more Pictures of my car :)

Warning may contain some rust.
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Driver side underneath the front.
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Driver side front.
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The doors are not that bad.
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driver side i think. I dont remember
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This is the passenger side.
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Re: 1978 Pontiac Sunbird.

Postby zzip » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:47 pm

Hoy JHCAAGGAR,
welcome to the best forum in the world concerning H-Body cars . :th:

That is a lot of rust
It is like Doug says, better look for a donor car .

And your English ... mine is even worse, and here they understand it .
So, no problem .

I wish you all the best with your project .

Grtz

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Re: 1978 Pontiac Sunbird.

Postby JHCRAGGAR » Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:57 pm

( near the wiper arms when you open the hood)

Like this:
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Thanks again i dident know that :)
Im learning something new about my car.
Im gonna go oute to the gerage an check if i cant find the trim tag :)

The little i do know about my car is it had a 2,3 liter engine and no ac when it was stock
and i dont know what transmission i had but when i look at the brake pedal im thinking it had a manual transmission
i might be wrong about that but in my Suburban the brake pedal is bigger.
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Look at that tiny spacer :).
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Passenger side front.
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Rust what rust i dont see it.
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Fuel lines again.
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Passenger back side.
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Re: 1978 Pontiac Sunbird.

Postby JHCRAGGAR » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:50 pm

zzip wrote:Hoy JHCAAGGAR,
welcome to the best forum in the world concerning H-Body cars . :th:

That is a lot of rust
It is like Doug says, better look for a donor car .

And you English ... mine is even worse, and here they understand it .
So, no problem .

I wish you all the best with your project .

Grtz

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Thank you :)
When i first found this forum i could not believe it i was like :shock: NO WAY
add to favorite add to favorite cant add to favorite fast enough.

Sorry Doug i cant find the Trim tag i dont think its been on the car for a very long time :(

I know my dad found the car in pieces in a sand pit when he got it
and im guessing he dident care to put the Trim tag back on the car again since he only restored it so he could go Drag Racing with it.
He also put a v8 in it and not the stock 2,3 but he never got that on the registration papers on the car and thats not good.
And im trying to talk to Amcar Norway to get some papers from them so i can get my engine legally on the registration papers.

Oh and Amcar Norway told me that the Sunbird only came with the v6 engines :)
I did ask the guy i was talking to why do the registration papers on my car say i have a 2,3?
His answer was he dident know but in the book he had on the sunbird they only came with a 3,8 v6
but he told me its the same car as the Chevrolet monza so if i want a v8 in my car there is not a big problem.
They only need the numbers that are on the engine to confirm that the engine i want to put in is not bigger then what the monza have.
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It has begun fore real this time.
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ooh Shiny.
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More shiny.
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I like this new metal stuff
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new metal piec.
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Re: 1978 Pontiac Sunbird.

Postby JHCRAGGAR » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:06 pm

More pictures of my Sunbird.
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New metal piec.
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New metal piec is on the car.
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some more new metal.
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Its getting there.
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New metal.
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