From: vegaman537091_REMOVE_987651_THIS_@yahoo.com
Hey Jim
Yep thats the way i would come i am going to meet a guy about
half way to texas .Dont know the day yet he hasnt got back ahold of me yet .I
ask him to set a day that he wanted to come but he hasnt let me know yet .
When he does i will let you know OK Dave PS MAYBE SOON
jim kays <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=045166014056099209213098164219114164134058066051209171188199">jamesrkays@y...</a>> wrote:I live in Batesville. It is north
central. Where are
you headed and on what day? Would you be coming across
on I 40? Jim
--- David Garrard <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=081056178237038031172201139207250160077098100009128121188150166091061">vegaman537091@y...</a>> wrote:
>
> Hey Jim
> I might be coming to Ark in a few
> days to pic a car up Where do you live?
>
> Dave
> jim kays <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=045166014056099209213098164219114164134058066051209171188199">jamesrkays@y...</a>> wrote:That sounds
> good. Who do you normally use? Jim
> --- David Garrard <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=081056178237038031172201139207250160077098100009128121188150166091061">vegaman537091@y...</a>> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Jim
> > I still have the air dam .We just need to figure
> > away to get it to you. But i guess it would have
> to
> > be truck .What ya think?
> >
>
> > Dave
> > jim kays <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=045166014056099209213098164219114164134058066051209171188199">jamesrkays@y...</a>> wrote: David, The
> > Holidays have virtually come and gone and
> > time has not occured. I'm still interested in the
> > the
> > air dam if you still have it.
> > How difficult do you think that it would be to
> ship
> > the piece without getting it torn up and do you
> have
> > a
> > feel for the cost? THanks, Jim
> > --- David Garrard <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=081056178237038031172201139207250160077098100009128121188150166091061">vegaman537091@y...</a>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey Jim
> > > Hey dont worry about it . I live 60
> > > miles south of nashville and Bill Hutton lives
> > > about 60 miles north west of nashville It
> takes
> > me
> > > about hour or so well hour and a half . But give
> > me
> > > a yell when you get ready .
> > >
>
> >
> > > Dave
> > > jim kays <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=045166014056099209213098164219114164134058066051209171188199">jamesrkays@y...</a>> wrote:Sorry
> it's
> > > taken so long to reply. Work has been
> > > opportunity filled. I'm trying to figure out if
> I
> > > can
> > > find a weekend to slip over and take a look at
> it.
> > > I'll write as soon as I get a few other dates
> > firmed
> > > up. I'm assuming that your more or les (100
> miles)
> > > in
> > > the same area as Hutton. Thanks, Jiom
> > > --- David Garrard <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=081056178237038031172201139207250160077098100009128121188150166091061">vegaman537091@y...</a>>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well I live in Tenn 60 miles south of
> Nashville
> > > Tenn
> > > > And Tom lives in cleveland Ohio Dont sound
> > close.
> > > I
> > > > guess iy would have to be shipped to you .Are
> > you
> > > > interested in it? Let me know.
>
> >
> > >
> > > > Dave
> > > > <a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=251056178237038031172201139207250160077098100009128121188150166091061">Vegaman537091@y...</a>
> > > > jim kays <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=045166014056099209213098164219114164134058066051209171188199">jamesrkays@y...</a>> wrote:I live
> in
> > > > North Central Arkansas, where are you or Tom
> > > > live? Jim
> > > > --- David Garrard <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=081056178237038031172201139207250160077098100009128121188150166091061">vegaman537091@y...</a>>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > HeyAll
> > > > > I will take $100.00 plus shipping
> > .It
> > > > will
> > > > > have to be shippd truck freight .Thats both
> > > parts
> > > > > .Or if you live next to tom somewhere he,s
> > > coming
> > > > > here in december he might deliver them .
> Just
> > a
> > > > > thought.
> > > > >
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > Dave
> > > > > jim kays <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=045166014056099209213098164219114164134058066051209171188199">jamesrkays@y...</a>> wrote:What
> do
> > > you
> > > > > need for it? Jim
> > > > > --- David Garrard <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=081056178237038031172201139207250160077098100009128121188150166091061">vegaman537091@y...</a>>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hey Tom
> > > > > > I still have that air dam I
> got
> > > > from
> > > > > > you .And yes its for sale .What do i need
> to
> > > ask
> > > > > fo
> > > > > > it ? Later
> > Dave
> > > > > > theastre wrote:--- In <a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=219233066105193209050199029077192253163098100046209130">cosworthvegas@y...</a>,
> > > > > "Michael
> > > > > > McIlroy" <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=029176211056010005074175096248100208071048">mike87029@y...</a>> wrote:
> > > > > > > Does anyone know where I can find an air
> > dam
> > > > for
> > > > > a
> > > > > > 77 Vega?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I sold this one to Dave G. in Nashville.
> > > > > > I don;t believe he ever used it and may be
> > > > looking
> > > > > > to re-sell.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
<a href="http://members.aol.com/audriedove/derian/fiberglas/fiberglas.htm">http://members.aol.com/audriedove/derian/fiberglas/fiberglas.htm</a>
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From: vegaman537091_REMOVE_363182_THIS_@yahoo.com
I have one $40.00 plus shipping <a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=081056178237038031172201139207250160077098100009128121188150166091061">vegaman537091@y...</a> Dave
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The more exhaust system backpressure, the more improvement the
reindexing will provide, but even with zero backpressure the
reindexing will improve the torque curve from end to end.
The most noticeable performance attribute of the reindexing is the
smooth 900 RPM idle and docile low speed operating characteristics.
Wanna lug from 1000 revs in top gear - go ahead, no problem. It 'll
pull. In first gear I can drag my car down with the brake to 200 RPM
in first gear, and it just keeps chugging along at less than walking
speed - great for heavy traffic. I tried this test with a new
Minicooper and it stalled at about 600 RPM. (BTW, the 2700 pound
Minicooper with the natually aspirated 1600 cc engine is a STONE!)
The primary purpose of the reindexing is to reduce the excessive
overlap, which was used to control NOX. The more overlap and higher
the exhaust back pressure, the more exhaust residual is present for
the next cycle (which means less fresh charge), particularly at part
throttle, because at part throttle the total pressure difference
between the exhaust side is absolute exhaust pressure minus absolute
inlet pressure.
The other benefit of the reindexing is the delayed closing of the
inlet valve. Of the four valve timing events the point at which the
inlet valve closes has the most dramatic effect on the torque curve.
A latter closing inlet valve shifts the torque curve up
the rev scale which means more high rev power. The less overlap
reduces the excess exhaust gas residual at low revs, which more than
offsets the loss of low end torque due to the later closing inlet
valve, so the reindexing results in a net improvement across the range
as does a reduction in exhaust back pressure.
Regardless of exhaust back pressure reindexing the cams will yield
better idle and low speed operation, better throttle response, better
fuel economy, more WOT power across the range, and the revs don't
hang up when you shift, so you can knock of perfectly smooth, quick
upshifts, and the engine responds more quickly to throttle blips when
downshifting.
Reindexing the cams shifts the torque curve up the rev scale, and less
exhaust backpressure shifts the torque curve up the lb-ft scale. The
two are additive.
Duke
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The more exhaust system backpressure, the more improvement the
reindexing will provide, but even with zero backpressure the
reindexing will improve the torque curve from end to end.
The most noticeable performance attribute of the reindexing is the
smooth 900 RPM idle and docile low speed operating characteristics.
Wanna lug from 1000 revs in top gear - go ahead, no problem. It 'll
pull. In first gear I can drag my car down with the brake to 200 RPM
in first gear, and it just keeps chugging along at less than walking
speed - great for heavy traffic. I tried this test with a new
Minicooper and it stalled at about 600 RPM. (BTW, the 2700 pound
Minicooper with the natually aspirated 1600 cc engine is a STONE!)
The primary purpose of the reindexing is to reduce the excessive
overlap, which was used to control NOX. The more overlap and higher
the exhaust back pressure, the more exhaust residual is present for
the next cycle (which means less fresh charge), particularly at part
throttle, because at part throttle the total pressure difference
between the exhaust side is absolute exhaust pressure minus absolute
inlet pressure.
The other benefit of the reindexing is the delayed closing of the
inlet valve. Of the four valve timing events the point at which the
inlet valve closes has the most dramatic effect on the torque curve.
A latter closing inlet valve shifts the torque curve up
the rev scale which means more high rev power. The less overlap
reduces the excess exhaust gas residual at low revs, which more than
offsets the loss of low end torque due to the later closing inlet
valve, so the reindexing results in a net improvement across the range
as does a reduction in exhaust back pressure.
Regardless of exhaust back pressure reindexing the cams will yield
better idle and low speed operation, better throttle response, better
fuel economy, more WOT power across the range, and the revs don't
hang up when you shift, so you can knock of perfectly smooth, quick
upshifts, and the engine responds more quickly to throttle blips when
downshifting.
Reindexing the cams shifts the torque curve up the rev scale, and less
exhaust backpressure shifts the torque curve up the lb-ft scale. The
two are additive.
Duke
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What do suspect the improvement of the 2 in
combination will be? Jim reindexed
--- doctorduke <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=091233212180056219138097203245147187078145038136183193071193172194143142">no_reply@yahoogroups.com</a>> wrote:
> --- In <a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=219233066105193209050199029077192253163098100009128121188190230091025019053061151110147">cosworthvegas@yahoogroups.com</a>, "twintonkas
> <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=029181253180038031172158203219129208071">mbormann@s...</a>>"
> <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=029181253180038031172158203219129208071">mbormann@s...</a>> wrote:
> > I will be replacing my exhaust system this spring
> and wanted some
> > feedback on replacing the Cat. I will be replacing
> from the header
> > back to the tailpipe. My question is, since I am
> emission exempt,
> > should I even bother replacing the cat? Will it
> hurt performance
> > without the added back pressure. Can I run the
> exhaust with just a
> > muffler (probably Flowmaster), and not worry about
> back firing. I
> had
> > a '76 Capri with a 2.8 V6 that I removed the cat's
> on, and I lost a
> > ton of low end power and every time I shifted, it
> backfired. Will
> the
> > cosworth also have this problem, or will it help
> the power with less
> > restriction?
> > Thanks,
> > Mike #2874
>
> For ever psi of exhaust backpressure you loose one
> psi of BMEP,
> however, significant reductions of backpressure can
> upset fuel
> metering and make a car run poorly, which is
> probably the source of
> the myth "engines need backpressure". On the CV you
> can tweak the MAP
> sensor adjustment to bias the mixture across the
> operating range if
> poor operation from less backpressure occurs.
>
> The CV suffers immensely from exhaust backpressure.
> For example, with
> the OEM exhaust less converter and PAIR my engine
> made 109 RWHP at
> 6000. With my off road open exhaust and no fan it
> made 151 HP ad 6500
> and was still climbing. (The MAP sensor was 1/4
> turn rich) The fan
> absorbs about 5 HP at 6500.
>
> I recommend that you use a Walker Dynomax Ultraflow
> muffler. From the
> data I have seen these seem to have the best
> combination of sound
> attenuation and low backpressure, but it still might
> be loud without a
> converter. If you decide to run a converter I would
> recommend a
> modern monolithic converter as the OEM converter is
> much more
> restrictive.
>
> Use 2.5" pipe and mandrel bends are best, but
> expensive. A low
> restriction exhaust system is the best way to gain
> useable power. The
> next best way is probably reindexing the cams as has
> been discussed
> here.
>
> Duke
>
>
>
>
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What do suspect the improvement of the 2 in
combination will be? Jim reindexed
--- doctorduke <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=091233212180056219138097203245147187078145038136183193071193172194143142">no_reply@yahoogroups.com</a>> wrote:
> --- In <a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=219233066105193209050199029077192253163098100009128121188190230091025019053061151110147">cosworthvegas@yahoogroups.com</a>, "twintonkas
> <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=029181253180038031172158203219129208071">mbormann@s...</a>>"
> <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=029181253180038031172158203219129208071">mbormann@s...</a>> wrote:
> > I will be replacing my exhaust system this spring
> and wanted some
> > feedback on replacing the Cat. I will be replacing
> from the header
> > back to the tailpipe. My question is, since I am
> emission exempt,
> > should I even bother replacing the cat? Will it
> hurt performance
> > without the added back pressure. Can I run the
> exhaust with just a
> > muffler (probably Flowmaster), and not worry about
> back firing. I
> had
> > a '76 Capri with a 2.8 V6 that I removed the cat's
> on, and I lost a
> > ton of low end power and every time I shifted, it
> backfired. Will
> the
> > cosworth also have this problem, or will it help
> the power with less
> > restriction?
> > Thanks,
> > Mike #2874
>
> For ever psi of exhaust backpressure you loose one
> psi of BMEP,
> however, significant reductions of backpressure can
> upset fuel
> metering and make a car run poorly, which is
> probably the source of
> the myth "engines need backpressure". On the CV you
> can tweak the MAP
> sensor adjustment to bias the mixture across the
> operating range if
> poor operation from less backpressure occurs.
>
> The CV suffers immensely from exhaust backpressure.
> For example, with
> the OEM exhaust less converter and PAIR my engine
> made 109 RWHP at
> 6000. With my off road open exhaust and no fan it
> made 151 HP ad 6500
> and was still climbing. (The MAP sensor was 1/4
> turn rich) The fan
> absorbs about 5 HP at 6500.
>
> I recommend that you use a Walker Dynomax Ultraflow
> muffler. From the
> data I have seen these seem to have the best
> combination of sound
> attenuation and low backpressure, but it still might
> be loud without a
> converter. If you decide to run a converter I would
> recommend a
> modern monolithic converter as the OEM converter is
> much more
> restrictive.
>
> Use 2.5" pipe and mandrel bends are best, but
> expensive. A low
> restriction exhaust system is the best way to gain
> useable power. The
> next best way is probably reindexing the cams as has
> been discussed
> here.
>
> Duke
>
>
>
>
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Mark
Look in the Chevy Power Manual (the one I am looking at is the 4th eddition)
page 4-10 under Valves, Springs and Retainers:
"The production valves may be polished on the under head and the ridge (Lip)
removed just above the seat face"
The production intake valve has a noticable ridge or lip which probably
disrupts the air flow into the cylinder. The modern stainless steel valves do
not have the ridge and the SI Stainless Valves are swirll polished on the under
head side.
Later
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Mark
Look in the Chevy Power Manual (the one I am looking at is the 4th eddition)
page 4-10 under Valves, Springs and Retainers:
"The production valves may be polished on the under head and the ridge (Lip)
removed just above the seat face"
The production intake valve has a noticable ridge or lip which probably
disrupts the air flow into the cylinder. The modern stainless steel valves do
not have the ridge and the SI Stainless Valves are swirll polished on the under
head side.
Later
Tim
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by h-bot » Fri Jan 24, 2003 2:59 am
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#3108 for sale
1976 in great shape
has some miles on it but looks and runs great
northern california
joe...650-333-8871
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#3108 for sale
1976 in great shape
has some miles on it but looks and runs great
northern california
joe...650-333-8871
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by h-bot » Fri Jan 24, 2003 4:39 am
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Tim,
do you know if that manual is in print? Is there a part number on it?
I'd like to buy one.
Thanks
Mike
At 08:27 AM 1/24/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Look in the Chevy Power Manual (the one I am looking at is the 4th
>eddition) page 4-10 under Valves, Springs and Retainers:
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Tim,
do you know if that manual is in print? Is there a part number on it?
I'd like to buy one.
Thanks
Mike
At 08:27 AM 1/24/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Look in the Chevy Power Manual (the one I am looking at is the 4th
>eddition) page 4-10 under Valves, Springs and Retainers:
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Mike
The older edditions with the Cosworth Vega Engine are no longer in print and
seems like the only place to find them is on ebay.
Later
Tim
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Mike
The older edditions with the Cosworth Vega Engine are no longer in print and
seems like the only place to find them is on ebay.
Later
Tim
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by h-bot » Sat Jan 25, 2003 3:19 am
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76 cosworth wheels
i have a set in the garage
650-333-8871...joe
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good condition, but will need paint
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76 cosworth wheels
i have a set in the garage
650-333-8871...joe
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good condition, but will need paint
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by h-bot » Sun Jan 26, 2003 11:55 am
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We ran into a similar situation in Virginia. It seemed
more like another Government mandated jobs program. It
was amazing what was worn out when you got fix what
you found or certified fixing what someone else found.
If the government weren't the driver, it might be
thought of extortion. I gues just a little pent up
anger. Jim
--- eaglefish123 <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=091233212180056219138097203245147187078145038136183193071193172194143142">no_reply@yahoogroups.com</a>> wrote:
> --- In <a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=219233066105193209050199029077192253163098100009128121188190230091025019053061151110147">cosworthvegas@yahoogroups.com</a>, "cv3122
> <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=061059113121099134218149203101129208071">ssafstro@n...</a>>"
> <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=061059113121099134218149203101129208071">ssafstro@n...</a>> wrote:
> > I don't envy anyone who lives in California.
> > I take it your state still... mandates your year
> of car to be
> tested.
> > Contemplate the time spent on your car so you can
> pass..I checked
> > the dmv in NY and this year my 76 will be exempt
> from emmisions
> > testing. Not that that matters, with friends in
> the inspection
> > business I usually get things done regardless. We
> all have friends
> > like that here and there don't we. But I cant
> imagine that you have
> > to go through this every year.. and what if you
> can't pass it for
> > some reason... you have to park it ?
> > more power to you all in california.
> > Come to NY and freeze your ass off/ but get it
> passed!!!!
> > steve s
> > cv3122
>
>
> The heck with NY. Come on done and sweat in sunny
> Florida. FL
> instituted emissions testing in the late 80's. Then
> in the early 90's
> realized the error of their ways and the futilitiy
> of it all and
> dumped it. They did the same thing with mechanical
> inspections, too,
> prior to the emmissions test program. You'ld of
> thunk they'ld learnt
> the first time around. So, now we don't have any
> inspections.
>
> I'm originally from PA. That state is tough on
> mechanical and body
> inspections. It used to be that you had to get your
> vehicle inspected
> twice a year!!!!! Now it is down to once a year,
> unless that has
> changed, too? They have State inspection facilities,
> certified
> garages and dealerships, that are monitored by the
> State police. They
> check ball joints for excessive play a dial gauge.
> SAme fo rrotors
> for runout and thickness. Yeah, if you miss by a
> hundredth or in some
> cases a thousandth of an inch, you fix it or park
> it. Same for the
> body, no sharp edges to hurt pedestrians and no
> holes to let in
> exhaust fumes. Fix it or park it. Of course, there
> is always an
> oportunity to buy an illegal inspection sticker.
>
> JD
>
>
>
>
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We ran into a similar situation in Virginia. It seemed
more like another Government mandated jobs program. It
was amazing what was worn out when you got fix what
you found or certified fixing what someone else found.
If the government weren't the driver, it might be
thought of extortion. I gues just a little pent up
anger. Jim
--- eaglefish123 <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=091233212180056219138097203245147187078145038136183193071193172194143142">no_reply@yahoogroups.com</a>> wrote:
> --- In <a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=219233066105193209050199029077192253163098100009128121188190230091025019053061151110147">cosworthvegas@yahoogroups.com</a>, "cv3122
> <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=061059113121099134218149203101129208071">ssafstro@n...</a>>"
> <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=061059113121099134218149203101129208071">ssafstro@n...</a>> wrote:
> > I don't envy anyone who lives in California.
> > I take it your state still... mandates your year
> of car to be
> tested.
> > Contemplate the time spent on your car so you can
> pass..I checked
> > the dmv in NY and this year my 76 will be exempt
> from emmisions
> > testing. Not that that matters, with friends in
> the inspection
> > business I usually get things done regardless. We
> all have friends
> > like that here and there don't we. But I cant
> imagine that you have
> > to go through this every year.. and what if you
> can't pass it for
> > some reason... you have to park it ?
> > more power to you all in california.
> > Come to NY and freeze your ass off/ but get it
> passed!!!!
> > steve s
> > cv3122
>
>
> The heck with NY. Come on done and sweat in sunny
> Florida. FL
> instituted emissions testing in the late 80's. Then
> in the early 90's
> realized the error of their ways and the futilitiy
> of it all and
> dumped it. They did the same thing with mechanical
> inspections, too,
> prior to the emmissions test program. You'ld of
> thunk they'ld learnt
> the first time around. So, now we don't have any
> inspections.
>
> I'm originally from PA. That state is tough on
> mechanical and body
> inspections. It used to be that you had to get your
> vehicle inspected
> twice a year!!!!! Now it is down to once a year,
> unless that has
> changed, too? They have State inspection facilities,
> certified
> garages and dealerships, that are monitored by the
> State police. They
> check ball joints for excessive play a dial gauge.
> SAme fo rrotors
> for runout and thickness. Yeah, if you miss by a
> hundredth or in some
> cases a thousandth of an inch, you fix it or park
> it. Same for the
> body, no sharp edges to hurt pedestrians and no
> holes to let in
> exhaust fumes. Fix it or park it. Of course, there
> is always an
> oportunity to buy an illegal inspection sticker.
>
> JD
>
>
>
>
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Thanks! I'll start checking the phone book for shops.
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Subject: [Cosworth Vegas] Re: Painting coating or treating a fuel filler
neck?
Almost any organic coating is either going to be worn away by abrasion
from the fuel filler nozzles or eventually attacked by the gasoline.
My recommendation would be to take it to a plating shop, have it
pickled in acid to derust it, then zinc plated. They usually change
by the pound and have a minimum charge, but you might be able to find
a place that will throw it into another lot for a nominal charge or
maybe even do it for free if you show them pictures of your vintage
car and beg. ;)
The other alternative is to seek out one of those processes used to
restore fuel tanks. They are some kind of coating and some radiator
shops do this work. I've heard mixed results on these coating
processes, but if you've got a badly rusted fuel tank and can't buy a
replacment, it appears to be about the only game in town.
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Thanks! I'll start checking the phone book for shops.
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Subject: [Cosworth Vegas] Re: Painting coating or treating a fuel filler
neck?
Almost any organic coating is either going to be worn away by abrasion
from the fuel filler nozzles or eventually attacked by the gasoline.
My recommendation would be to take it to a plating shop, have it
pickled in acid to derust it, then zinc plated. They usually change
by the pound and have a minimum charge, but you might be able to find
a place that will throw it into another lot for a nominal charge or
maybe even do it for free if you show them pictures of your vintage
car and beg. ;)
The other alternative is to seek out one of those processes used to
restore fuel tanks. They are some kind of coating and some radiator
shops do this work. I've heard mixed results on these coating
processes, but if you've got a badly rusted fuel tank and can't buy a
replacment, it appears to be about the only game in town.
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From: cliff.payne_REMOVE_500089_THIS_@yahoo.com
I remember 1975 as a very dark year. My family sold Chrysler products at
the time, and i had gone to the shop to see the new Chargers and
Challengers, Cudas and Road Runners, Dusters and Demons etc.... My Uncle
pointed to a big dorky Cordoba/Fury body and i saw this auful sunburst
script on the spare tire hump of a trunk, it said: ROAD RUNNER!!!
NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Thank goodness for the Trans Am and the
Cosworth or 1975 and 6 would have been a complete wash IMHO!
Cliff Payne
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Subject: [Cosworth Vegas] Re: NADA CV Pricing
It seems to me that if the CV would be a 1969 model it would be more
valuable, anything between 73 and 80 or later seems to be low value,
even though I see some pretty weird prices on some models.
I think the CV came at the wrong time in the boring era like Duke
mentionned about the 5 mph bumper for example. (I'll never forget the
first time I saw a brand new 73 Chevelle!!!).
So back to my first question, can we put the 3 levels of price for a
Cosworth in print here as a reply to my question?
Duke, if you have them will you share with me?, you gave me the high,
of $7450 but what are the other 3 levels?
My opinion is there are cars selling for $9-10k and I think the $7450
is low, but this is only my opinion.
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I remember 1975 as a very dark year. My family sold Chrysler products at
the time, and i had gone to the shop to see the new Chargers and
Challengers, Cudas and Road Runners, Dusters and Demons etc.... My Uncle
pointed to a big dorky Cordoba/Fury body and i saw this auful sunburst
script on the spare tire hump of a trunk, it said: ROAD RUNNER!!!
NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Thank goodness for the Trans Am and the
Cosworth or 1975 and 6 would have been a complete wash IMHO!
Cliff Payne
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VIP DocManager & RDS Admin.
(972) 364-2538
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Subject: [Cosworth Vegas] Re: NADA CV Pricing
It seems to me that if the CV would be a 1969 model it would be more
valuable, anything between 73 and 80 or later seems to be low value,
even though I see some pretty weird prices on some models.
I think the CV came at the wrong time in the boring era like Duke
mentionned about the 5 mph bumper for example. (I'll never forget the
first time I saw a brand new 73 Chevelle!!!).
So back to my first question, can we put the 3 levels of price for a
Cosworth in print here as a reply to my question?
Duke, if you have them will you share with me?, you gave me the high,
of $7450 but what are the other 3 levels?
My opinion is there are cars selling for $9-10k and I think the $7450
is low, but this is only my opinion.
Al
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From: mike.bormann_REMOVE_926721_THIS_@yahoo.com
1975 Vega Cosworth 2 door hatchback
High retail: $7,450
Average retail: $5,225
Low retail: $2,625
1976 Vega Cosworth 2 door hatchback
High retail: $7,100
Average retail: $4,975
Low retail: $2,500
Mike
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Subject: [Cosworth Vegas] Re: NADA CV Pricing
It seems to me that if the CV would be a 1969 model it would be more
valuable, anything between 73 and 80 or later seems to be low value,
even though I see some pretty weird prices on some models.
I think the CV came at the wrong time in the boring era like Duke
mentionned about the 5 mph bumper for example. (I'll never forget the
first time I saw a brand new 73 Chevelle!!!).
So back to my first question, can we put the 3 levels of price for a
Cosworth in print here as a reply to my question?
Duke, if you have them will you share with me?, you gave me the high,
of $7450 but what are the other 3 levels?
My opinion is there are cars selling for $9-10k and I think the $7450
is low, but this is only my opinion.
Al
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1975 Vega Cosworth 2 door hatchback
High retail: $7,450
Average retail: $5,225
Low retail: $2,625
1976 Vega Cosworth 2 door hatchback
High retail: $7,100
Average retail: $4,975
Low retail: $2,500
Mike
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Subject: [Cosworth Vegas] Re: NADA CV Pricing
It seems to me that if the CV would be a 1969 model it would be more
valuable, anything between 73 and 80 or later seems to be low value,
even though I see some pretty weird prices on some models.
I think the CV came at the wrong time in the boring era like Duke
mentionned about the 5 mph bumper for example. (I'll never forget the
first time I saw a brand new 73 Chevelle!!!).
So back to my first question, can we put the 3 levels of price for a
Cosworth in print here as a reply to my question?
Duke, if you have them will you share with me?, you gave me the high,
of $7450 but what are the other 3 levels?
My opinion is there are cars selling for $9-10k and I think the $7450
is low, but this is only my opinion.
Al
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As a newbie myself i can attest to what duke is saying. Granted, i had the
car when i joined but all of the things i have learned from back issues of
CVOA and the Twin Cam Times portfolio he mentioned have been invaluable!!
Once you have read or scanned most of these sources you will be a well
informed buyer, not to mention ready to tackle your new vehicle from the
first day!
Cliff Payne
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Subject: [Cosworth Vegas] Re: I'm so Confused
You have a lot of good questions. In order to make an intelligent buy
you must educate yourself.
Join CVOA, and purchase the Twin Cam Times portfolio from them - over
200K words on the history and technology of these cars, including
recommended maintenance, problem areas, and thorough explanations of
the various CV mechanical and electronic/electrical systems. Also buy
the CV Shop manual supplement form Helm, Inc.
Keep an eye on CV ads in the Club magazine and go to the Roundup next
summer. Maybe by that time you will be sufficiently knowledgeable to
make an intelligent buy.
You have too many questions for me to answer, but as an overall
guideline, my recommendation to you is to pay top dollar for the best
car you can find, as close to original showroom conditon as possible.
The car you buy will have extensive records on both its origin,
maintenance and repair record, ownership history, location, and use.
You will spend in the range of $5-9K
On the other hand you can buy a two or three thousand dollar CV that
needs work. You will cause damage to it by trying to fix things
because you don't really know and understand the car, and the
professionals you pay will do more damage because they don't under
stand the car either. Or you might be able to find a professional who
can really restore a worn CV to "very good" condition. It will cost
you in the range of $10 - $25, and you will have one of the nicest CVs
around, worth about $7K.
Your choice!
Duke
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As a newbie myself i can attest to what duke is saying. Granted, i had the
car when i joined but all of the things i have learned from back issues of
CVOA and the Twin Cam Times portfolio he mentioned have been invaluable!!
Once you have read or scanned most of these sources you will be a well
informed buyer, not to mention ready to tackle your new vehicle from the
first day!
Cliff Payne
I Series Robot Scheduler,
VIP DocManager & RDS Admin.
(972) 364-2538
<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=219128020121021091171098164101130165188179091009039109127055048121158126228025227159041096076095219">cliff.payne@m...</a>
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Subject: [Cosworth Vegas] Re: I'm so Confused
You have a lot of good questions. In order to make an intelligent buy
you must educate yourself.
Join CVOA, and purchase the Twin Cam Times portfolio from them - over
200K words on the history and technology of these cars, including
recommended maintenance, problem areas, and thorough explanations of
the various CV mechanical and electronic/electrical systems. Also buy
the CV Shop manual supplement form Helm, Inc.
Keep an eye on CV ads in the Club magazine and go to the Roundup next
summer. Maybe by that time you will be sufficiently knowledgeable to
make an intelligent buy.
You have too many questions for me to answer, but as an overall
guideline, my recommendation to you is to pay top dollar for the best
car you can find, as close to original showroom conditon as possible.
The car you buy will have extensive records on both its origin,
maintenance and repair record, ownership history, location, and use.
You will spend in the range of $5-9K
On the other hand you can buy a two or three thousand dollar CV that
needs work. You will cause damage to it by trying to fix things
because you don't really know and understand the car, and the
professionals you pay will do more damage because they don't under
stand the car either. Or you might be able to find a professional who
can really restore a worn CV to "very good" condition. It will cost
you in the range of $10 - $25, and you will have one of the nicest CVs
around, worth about $7K.
Your choice!
Duke
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