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From: kiva5198_REMOVE_596757_THIS_@yahoo.com

Al, is there a chassis dyno within reasonable distance to you? Or do
you have a way to upload a digital video of your car accelerating?
Tell me if this is right:

75 Cosworth, 4 speed, 3.73 posi, light advance springs, good exhaust
with performance muffler, no pulse air tubes, EFI tuned to Duke's
suggestions, 205/60/13 tires, recent tune with good plugs and wires,
195 thermostat (very important), proper ignition timing, MAP sensor
still stock adjustment, stock air filter housing, is this about
right? What is your fuel pressure?

Britt

--- In <a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=219233066105193209050199029077192253163098100046209130">cosworthvegas@y...</a>, cstwcam <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=091233212180056219138097203245129208071">no_reply@y...</a>> wrote:
> --- In <a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=219233066105193209050199029077192253163098100046209130">cosworthvegas@y...</a>, rondeau3 <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=091233212180056219138097203245129208071">no_reply@y...</a>> wrote:
> >
> > > --- In <a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=219233066105193209050199029077192253163098100046209130">cosworthvegas@y...</a>, jim kays <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=045166014056099209213098164219114164071048139">jamesrkays@y...</a>> wrote:
> >
> > > > It turned out that one of the cam shafts had jumped a
> > > > cog (very cold weather start). Check the alignment
> > > > marks on the sprockets.
> >
> > Jim, I checked and they are dead on.
> > I'll drive it for a week prior to my trip to Texas and hopefully
> > Clark's car will be better than this.
> >
> > Al
>
> Al John Cowall had a problem not running our poor performance and
he
> had something wrong with a camshaft the wrong one or they were on
> the wrong side. I don't remember but maybe John could refresh our
> memory. I don't have any real time numbers but when I get on to Rt
> 12 which is a 55 mph road, from where I get on to the first
> driveway I pass (I don"t have a distance) the 3.8 mini van is able
> to get up to 70 mph. The Cosworth will be doing 72 mph I use to
have
> a Mercury Cougar XR7 supercharged V6 but that was a few years back
> but I think it could close to 90 but don't hold me to that. Due to
> road construction I have to go a different way, but I can get there
> a different way. I will get a distance and speed with my new car.
> Its a 95 Audi 90 with high performance V6 single overhead cams
> 172hp/184ft.lbs torque 10.3:1 compression.
>
> Art




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From: rondeau3_REMOVE_535416_THIS_@yahoo.com


> --- In <a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=219233066105193209050199029077192253163098100046209130">cosworthvegas@y...</a>, jim kays <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=045166014056099209213098164219114164071048139">jamesrkays@y...</a>> wrote:

> > It turned out that one of the cam shafts had jumped a
> > cog (very cold weather start). Check the alignment
> > marks on the sprockets.

Jim, I checked and they are dead on.
I'll drive it for a week prior to my trip to Texas and hopefully
Clark's car will be better than this.

Al




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From: rondeau3_REMOVE_698077_THIS_@yahoo.com

--- In <a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=219233066105193209050199029077192253163098100046209130">cosworthvegas@y...</a>, "Britt" <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=200176018237235197240138203004129208071">kiva5198@h...</a>> wrote:
> Al, is there a chassis dyno within reasonable distance to you? Or
do
> you have a way to upload a digital video of your car accelerating?

No reliable Dyno around, the closest one is about 3 1/2 hours away,
I can look into it though, but my thought was to feel another CV and
take it from there.


> Tell me if this is right:
>
> 75 Cosworth, 4 speed, 3.73 posi, light advance springs, good
exhaust

Actually I removed the exhaust, so no exhaust at all.

> with performance muffler,

Flowmaster 2.5" in and out, 2 chambers bolted to the flange of the
crossover front pipe.

no pulse air tubes, EFI tuned to Duke's
> suggestions,

That is correct.

>205/60/13 tires,

205 /70/13 Pirrelli tires, the ugly ones that have 2 thread patterns
and have to be mounted with the white wall on the outside.

> recent tune with good plugs and wires,

That is correct.

> 195 thermostat (very important),

That I don't know, if I have a 160 or 180 Thermostat how will it
affect performance? I'm used to colder is better, is it different
with the CV?

>proper ignition timing,

Timing is correct

>MAP sensor
> still stock adjustment,

Nope, the adjustment was changed, I believe it is on the richer's
side if I remember, until the idle was about to be affected, it was
right on the limit.

>stock air filter housing, is this about
> right?

That is correct also.

What is your fuel pressure?

Fuel pressure I know was right on specs and holding, my injectors
are flow tested, cleaned and balanced, I have 2 new fuel pumps and
replaced all the hoses and fuel filter twice.

What is the fuel pressure suppose to be between 3000 rpm and 7000
rpm in third gear for example? I was about to tape my fuel pressure
gauge to the windshield and see if it is normal while driving at
WOT, but that is not where my problem is.
My problem is it feels like if I was pulling a really heavy trailer,
it bogs and refuse to move, like if I was dumping tons of fuel in it
but not enough air to mix with it.
As soon as I hit 3000 rpm all is fine and through all gears it's
acceptable, if I sidestep the clutch at 3000 rpm it's all good too.
But normal driving it almost stalls, my idle is at 1600 and it drops
as soon as I try to take off and struggle like hell to get moving.

Tell me more about the thermostat???

Thanks

Al
>
> Britt
>
> --- In <a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=219233066105193209050199029077192253163098100046209130">cosworthvegas@y...</a>, cstwcam <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=091233212180056219138097203245129208071">no_reply@y...</a>> wrote:
> > --- In <a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=219233066105193209050199029077192253163098100046209130">cosworthvegas@y...</a>, rondeau3 <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=091233212180056219138097203245129208071">no_reply@y...</a>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > --- In <a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=219233066105193209050199029077192253163098100046209130">cosworthvegas@y...</a>, jim kays <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=045166014056099209213098164219114164071048139">jamesrkays@y...</a>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > It turned out that one of the cam shafts had jumped a
> > > > > cog (very cold weather start). Check the alignment
> > > > > marks on the sprockets.
> > >
> > > Jim, I checked and they are dead on.
> > > I'll drive it for a week prior to my trip to Texas and
hopefully
> > > Clark's car will be better than this.
> > >
> > > Al
> >
> > Al John Cowall had a problem not running our poor performance
and
> he
> > had something wrong with a camshaft the wrong one or they were
on
> > the wrong side. I don't remember but maybe John could refresh
our
> > memory. I don't have any real time numbers but when I get on to
Rt
> > 12 which is a 55 mph road, from where I get on to the first
> > driveway I pass (I don"t have a distance) the 3.8 mini van is
able
> > to get up to 70 mph. The Cosworth will be doing 72 mph I use to
> have
> > a Mercury Cougar XR7 supercharged V6 but that was a few years
back
> > but I think it could close to 90 but don't hold me to that. Due
to
> > road construction I have to go a different way, but I can get
there
> > a different way. I will get a distance and speed with my new
car.
> > Its a 95 Audi 90 with high performance V6 single overhead cams
> > 172hp/184ft.lbs torque 10.3:1 compression.
> >
> > Art




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From: rondeau3_REMOVE_823173_THIS_@yahoo.com

> Al John Cowall had a problem not running our poor performance and
he
> had something wrong with a camshaft the wrong one or they were on
> the wrong side. I don't remember but maybe John could refresh our
> memory.

Thanks Art, the rest of your post doesn't reall apply to my problem,
once the car is rolling, I don't have any complaint, it feels like a
120 hp. 2600lbs car, my problem is to get the first 20 ft. from a
dead stop.


>I don't have any real time numbers but when I get on to Rt
> 12 which is a 55 mph road, from where I get on to the first
> driveway I pass (I don"t have a distance) the 3.8 mini van is able
> to get up to 70 mph. The Cosworth will be doing 72 mph

This sounds normal to my expectation.

Thanks Art




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From: cosworth0078_REMOVE_783279_THIS_@yahoo.com

Dear Al,
The 195 degree thermostat is very important if you want your EFI
engine to run properly. If you have a thermostat that never allows
the engine to warm up to 195 degrees, the coolant sensor will
always tell the computer that the engine is still "cold" and to keep
the fuel/air mixture rich. The computer "leans it out" when the
coolant sensor detects 190-195. Put a 195 in it right now, drive it
around until you get it fully warmed up, and drive it hard. See if
you can tell a difference. A lower thermostat will defeat the
purposes of the stock EFI system. When operating with a 195
thermostat, you will get good performance, good emissions, and good
mileage. Also be sure that your engine idle when fully warmed up is
1500-1600 rpm. If it idles too low, the map sensor will falsely
detect a power situation (low vacuum) and richen up the fuel mixture.
These two things: the proper idle and the proper thermostat are very
important when you run with the stock EFI.
-Clark


> That I don't know, if I have a 160 or 180 Thermostat how will it
> affect performance? I'm used to colder is better, is it different
> with the CV?

> Tell me more about the thermostat???
> Thanks, Al





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From: rondeau3_REMOVE_209667_THIS_@yahoo.com

--- In <a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=219233066105193209050199029077192253163098100046209130">cosworthvegas@y...</a>, cosworth0078 <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=091233212180056219138097203245129208071">no_reply@y...</a>> wrote:
> Dear Al,
> The 195 degree thermostat is very important if you want your
EFI
> engine to run properly.

Based on my temp. gauge, I'd say it was running a lot cooler than
195.
I will buy one tomorrow and try it out, is it a regular Vega
thermostat in there?

One more reason why I don't think I have a 195 is when the car is
cold and the fast idle valve is keeping my idle at 1900-2000, as
soon as the idle drops my temperature gauge is at it's highest
reading.
What I mean by that is the temperature reading on the gauge never
rise at all past the idle drop from the closure of the fast idle
valve.

I never saw my temperature gauge above the first mark or 1/4 of the
scale.

I can't wait to try that thermostat, my car came from Pheonix AZ and
here it's a lot cooler that down there.

Thank you, would that be something if that would be all it took to
fix the problem???

Al




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From: cosworth0078_REMOVE_770187_THIS_@yahoo.com

Al, I have the last two special Cosworth 195 thermostats in
existence. Don't believe anyone else on this, not even Duke! I will
sell only one and the price is just $1,700, just because I
like the sound of your voice. Of course, certified bank check, only,
I am not the fool everyone thinks. Call me at BR 549 to set up the
wire transfer. The original thermostats sold new for $6300. Did you
know that the Cosworth was the only GM car built where you bought the
thermostat and the car came with it? You did not know this? No
wonder no one will help you. Many years ago, I had to sell my first
daughter (the one no one remembers) into white slavery to join the
CVOA. Last I heard, she was one of Bin Laden's 20 wives. I will
give you the password that allows you to access the secret tech
sites. It is: "R O B E R T M A L O Y". But, back to the sale: Of
course, these thermostats are the ones that were gold plated because
they were made in Iceland, where the last of the world's gold
reserves are stored. Without this and the rare water injection
system that no one will tell you about, your engine will run like a
diesel.

By now, you should have discovered that I am full of s***. I hope
everyone had a good laugh.

That would be wonderful if changing out the thermostat would
solve your engine's low speed power problem. But, it could be only
one of many things that could be wrong. Very often, when a car
changes hands many times, it has multiple "small" problems that may
mask each other. I would also check to be sure that you have no
vacuum leaks. Like I said (wrote) anything that will allow the Map
sensor to detect low or no vacuum when you do NOT "have your foot in
it" will cause the EFI to run richer than it should.

Also remember that modern engines are engineered to run a little
warmer than the old pre-emission era (60's?) cars. The thermostat
only establishes a base, which once the coolant is at the
thermostat's temp setting, will not allow it to drop below that. A
properly functioning thermostat will not cause, by itself, an engine
to run too hot. In the Cosworth's EFI system, the 195 thermostat is
a must. The Cosworth does NOT use a special thermostat, just a
regular GM one that I suspect is the same as for all GM engines of
that period. But, look it up in the book at the parts store. The
parts book should show the Cosworth Vega (or Vega 122 EFI?) as only
having a 195 degree. Good luck.
-Clark


I will buy one tomorrow and try it out, is it a regular Vega
thermostat in there? I never saw my temperature gauge above the
first mark or 1/4 of the scale. I can't wait to try that thermostat,
my car came from Pheonix AZ and here it's a lot cooler that down
there. Thank you, would that be something if that would be all it
took to fix the problem? Al




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From: rondeau3_REMOVE_971843_THIS_@yahoo.com

--- In <a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=219233066105193209050199029077192253163098100046209130">cosworthvegas@y...</a>, cosworth0078 <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=091233212180056219138097203245129208071">no_reply@y...</a>> wrote:
> The Cosworth does NOT use a special thermostat, just a
> regular GM one that I suspect is the same as for all GM engines of
> that period. But, look it up in the book at the parts store. The
> parts book should show the Cosworth Vega (or Vega 122 EFI?) as
only
> having a 195 degree. Good luck.
> -Clark

Thanks Clark,

Good sense of humour, not used to that on this list.

I should be ok if I bring the old one, Cosworth or Vega 122 EFI is
never listed in Canadian books, the CV was never sold in Canada, I
asked today even GM and NAPA didn't show a listing for that car.

With the old one, I'm sure I'll figure out something.

Thanks

BTW a 160 Therm. for a ZR1 sells for over $100 US if you can find
one, and a 180 can be bought for under $15, go figure.

Al




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From: doctorduke_REMOVE_634920_THIS_@yahoo.com

Aluminum engines like to run hot - less heat transfer to the
coolant. Before you buy a new thermostat, why not just shoot your
thermostat housing with an IR gun and see what it reads.

Most CVs with correct 195 thermostats run at the hash mark between 100
and 210, a little higher when running hard.

Duke




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From: vegaman537091_REMOVE_428040_THIS_@yahoo.com


Hey Tom
I still have that air dam I got from you .And yes its for sale
.What do i need to ask fo it ? Later Dave
theastre wrote:--- In <a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=219233066105193209050199029077192253163098100046209130">cosworthvegas@y...</a>, "Michael McIlroy" <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=029176211056010005074175096248100208071048">mike87029@y...</a>>
wrote:
> Does anyone know where I can find an air dam for a 77 Vega?

I sold this one to Dave G. in Nashville.
I don;t believe he ever used it and may be looking to re-sell.

<a href="http://members.aol.com/audriedove/derian/fiberglas/fiberglas.htm">http://members.aol.com/audriedove/derian/fiberglas/fiberglas.htm</a>

Tom


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From: vega_club_REMOVE_504951_THIS_@yahoo.com

new reproduction air dams for sale.
these will just bolt on.

contact Dave Quarterman (Dave's Vega Village)
cost $95.00 US plus $20.00 US for Shipping.

phone number 604-469-9979

good luck. Trevor (cosworth #554)






--- Michael McIlroy <<a href="/group/cosworthvegas/post?protectID=029176211056010005074175096248100253094145066046167121181">mike87029@y...</a>> wrote:
> Does anyone know where I can find an air dam for a
> 77 Vega?
>
>


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From: longg01_REMOVE_445604_THIS_@yahoo.com

What kind of front air dam was on Jim R.'s car at the round-up?
That is the kind that I would want.
~CHRIS




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From: cswrth1_REMOVE_119486_THIS_@yahoo.com

The piece that Dave sells is not really an air dam. The piece you
are referring to is the lower air deflector. That is a really nice
one that Dave makes but it is not really considered an air dam. Chris




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From: cswrth1_REMOVE_385081_THIS_@yahoo.com

That was a 3 piece GM front air dam. Those are nice but you can't
buy them anymore. I have a NOS one of those and I am going to
reproduce that out of fiberglass once I get the valance done. I want
to fit the air dam to the new valance so it can be used as a set.
The valance will also match up to the air deflector that Dave
Quarterman sells. Chris




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From: ace_REMOVE_771948_THIS_@yahoo.com

Bob
Where can I get a steering box seal kit for Vega manual?
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Slusarek
To: Cosworth Grooup (E-mail)
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 4:26 AM
Subject: [Cosworth Vegas] Clutch Cables


Hello,
I recently purchased CV0321 from the original owner. Wonderful car. The
original owner worked for the dealership he ordered the car from and I
received a ton of spares with the purchase one item was not included and
that was a clutch cable. I intend to keep this car for a long time and
think a spare cable would be a good idea. I stopped at my local Chevrolet
dealer knowing deep down the answer would be "sorry discontinued" but it was
worth the laugh from the parts guy to see all sales people standing around
looking at the car when I came out. These cars sure draw crowds! Stupid
question award goes to the salesman that asked if this was the car Chevrolet
put the V8 in, I guess reading is a lost art? Anyway, is there a vendor
that still carries clutch cables for our cars or do these things last
forever?
Thanks,
Bob
CVOA 10393
CV 0321



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