From: nickster1_99_REMOVE_188750_THIS_@yahoo.com
I checked that website. they are referring to the
front mounts for the engine(some cars have rears, they
are tring to be more clear) both the left and right
sides are the same part #. These are stock chevy mounts
for any other smallblock car. NOT FOR A MONZA! When
in doubt, if the part #s are different from side to
side, they are the real deal. If they are the same,
they are WRONG!
-Nick
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by h-bot » Fri Dec 15, 2000 9:03 pm
From: clemsparks_REMOVE_745614_THIS_@yahoo.com
So when you get stock monza mounts for the engine
and the frame what are they like? is the rubber in
the engine mount or on the frame mount? when you get
them from dave's vega village are you getting all 4
pieces or just the engine mounts (or just the frame
mounts)?
Thanks for any help
Clem
Columbia MO
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So when you get stock monza mounts for the engine
and the frame what are they like? is the rubber in
the engine mount or on the frame mount? when you get
them from dave's vega village are you getting all 4
pieces or just the engine mounts (or just the frame
mounts)?
Thanks for any help
Clem
Columbia MO
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by h-bot » Fri Dec 15, 2000 10:06 pm
From: ryago1_REMOVE_568911_THIS_@yahoo.com
Guys, I've been down that road before.
www.expressautoparts.com (pn 270-2281) has the same parts. I have a 75
monza tc 350 and ordered the motor mounts. They were
the wrong ones. DON'T order that part number from
Sealed Power. I'm not sure how desperate you are but I
blew the vulcanized rubber away with a propane torch
and poured in urethane rubber. I overhauled my engine
and put it back in the car with my homemade mounts. I
installed a high lift cam on my little old two-barrel for a
healthy idle. Anyway, there is just slightly more
detectable vibration at idle but no difference beyond that.
Sorry I couldn't take any pictures because I didn't
have a digital camera at the time. I do have digital
camera now but the mounts are installed if you are
interested. If you want any information reply to this
message.
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Guys, I've been down that road before.
www.expressautoparts.com (pn 270-2281) has the same parts. I have a 75
monza tc 350 and ordered the motor mounts. They were
the wrong ones. DON'T order that part number from
Sealed Power. I'm not sure how desperate you are but I
blew the vulcanized rubber away with a propane torch
and poured in urethane rubber. I overhauled my engine
and put it back in the car with my homemade mounts. I
installed a high lift cam on my little old two-barrel for a
healthy idle. Anyway, there is just slightly more
detectable vibration at idle but no difference beyond that.
Sorry I couldn't take any pictures because I didn't
have a digital camera at the time. I do have digital
camera now but the mounts are installed if you are
interested. If you want any information reply to this
message.
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by h-bot » Sat Dec 16, 2000 11:38 am
From: Monzabudd_REMOVE_201183_THIS_@yahoo.com
About pouring in the urethane rubber..how difficult was this? messy? stinky?
where do you get the urethane from?
I'm very interested in this...
Marco
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About pouring in the urethane rubber..how difficult was this? messy? stinky?
where do you get the urethane from?
I'm very interested in this...
Marco
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by h-bot » Sun Dec 17, 2000 1:59 am
From: clemsparks_REMOVE_172277_THIS_@yahoo.com
Yes, please tell us everything you know about rebuilding your own engine mounts, sounds interesting!
clem
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Yes, please tell us everything you know about rebuilding your own engine mounts, sounds interesting!
clem
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by h-bot » Sun Dec 17, 2000 4:57 pm
From: nickster1_99_REMOVE_985546_THIS_@yahoo.com
This is what I did. I took my old sagged out
monza mounts, cut them apart and re-used the u-shaped
bracket with the old-style pancake mounts. The mounts are
for a 60s smallblock. I then cut the u-shaped bracket
and drilled some holes in it to bolt up to the
pancake mount. It holds my engine up nicely. appx 1/2
inch clearance from the center link. I don't have any
pics now, but I plan to soon.
-Nick
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This is what I did. I took my old sagged out
monza mounts, cut them apart and re-used the u-shaped
bracket with the old-style pancake mounts. The mounts are
for a 60s smallblock. I then cut the u-shaped bracket
and drilled some holes in it to bolt up to the
pancake mount. It holds my engine up nicely. appx 1/2
inch clearance from the center link. I don't have any
pics now, but I plan to soon.
-Nick
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by h-bot » Mon Dec 18, 2000 3:11 pm
From: ryago1_REMOVE_229826_THIS_@yahoo.com
Here is what I did. In deference to nickster who
probably did a great job with the 60's motor mounts, I
used the stock mounts. Doing it didn't cause a strong
odor but definitely I would do it in a well ventilated
place it may be flammable but couldn't find any
warning. Sticky? Yes, but everything washes off with
acetone (from a paint store, and that is flammable.)
Supplies I used was duct tape, propane torch, and a moto
tool with a rough sanding drum. After blowing away the
rubber with the propane torch, I cleaned as much of the
rubber as I could with some alcohol (it softens the
rubber and makes it real easy scraping). Don't worry
about leaving some because the urethane sticks to the
rubber. Now that they are in two pieces, I decided the
place frame mounting bracket at the apex of the
U-shaped piece which mounts to the engine since the weight
of the engine is in a downward motion. Anyway, you
have to be aware of the distance between the bolt
mounting holes from side to side....this is very important
because it determines how tough it is to install. If you
are a little off however, don't worry since it is
flexible, It can be spread open or squeezed together easily
to fit the bolt holes.
First the piece which
bolts to the frame must be held in place. Then I held
it sideways poured one half of it, waited till it
dried and turned it around and poured the other half.
Then shaped it with the moto tool sanding
drum.
To hold frame mount in place: Drill a small hole in
the center of the plate which attaches to the engine.
I used a long but narrow toggle bolt screw. I used
the screw to push the frame mounts up against the
apex of the u-shaped piece. Again as you tighten it
down remember the bolt holes between the mounts have
to be a certain distance.
To set up the motor
mount: Use duct tape and tape one side of the motor
mount. Use a pencil to press in the tiny gaps. If you
don't the urethane will run through. Don't worry about
not being nicely shaped. The moto tool and rough
sanding drum will shape it. You should be able to prop it
up level on its side with small pieces of wood.
Remove the hold down screw and cover the hole with duct
tape when you do the other half.
The mixture: The
urethane comes in a quart size paint can and the catalyst
comes in a bottle. You have to split the mixtures in
half since you will be pouring it half at a time. I
got two quart size sealable food container from the
market for the urethane and two tiny ones to split the
catalyst. I used my wife's food scale to split the mixtures
exactly (by weight) in half. Store one half of it
airtight. Mix the other half real good. Wait about 5 to 10
minutes before pouring to harden it a bit. If you don't
it will run like water.
Let me know if you
need anymore information. It was fun. I alraeady have
it in the car and the vibration is no greater than
the stock mounts, as I can tell. The spark plugs are
much easier to get to. I recommend everyone to replace
your crushed motor mounts.....
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Here is what I did. In deference to nickster who
probably did a great job with the 60's motor mounts, I
used the stock mounts. Doing it didn't cause a strong
odor but definitely I would do it in a well ventilated
place it may be flammable but couldn't find any
warning. Sticky? Yes, but everything washes off with
acetone (from a paint store, and that is flammable.)
Supplies I used was duct tape, propane torch, and a moto
tool with a rough sanding drum. After blowing away the
rubber with the propane torch, I cleaned as much of the
rubber as I could with some alcohol (it softens the
rubber and makes it real easy scraping). Don't worry
about leaving some because the urethane sticks to the
rubber. Now that they are in two pieces, I decided the
place frame mounting bracket at the apex of the
U-shaped piece which mounts to the engine since the weight
of the engine is in a downward motion. Anyway, you
have to be aware of the distance between the bolt
mounting holes from side to side....this is very important
because it determines how tough it is to install. If you
are a little off however, don't worry since it is
flexible, It can be spread open or squeezed together easily
to fit the bolt holes.
First the piece which
bolts to the frame must be held in place. Then I held
it sideways poured one half of it, waited till it
dried and turned it around and poured the other half.
Then shaped it with the moto tool sanding
drum.
To hold frame mount in place: Drill a small hole in
the center of the plate which attaches to the engine.
I used a long but narrow toggle bolt screw. I used
the screw to push the frame mounts up against the
apex of the u-shaped piece. Again as you tighten it
down remember the bolt holes between the mounts have
to be a certain distance.
To set up the motor
mount: Use duct tape and tape one side of the motor
mount. Use a pencil to press in the tiny gaps. If you
don't the urethane will run through. Don't worry about
not being nicely shaped. The moto tool and rough
sanding drum will shape it. You should be able to prop it
up level on its side with small pieces of wood.
Remove the hold down screw and cover the hole with duct
tape when you do the other half.
The mixture: The
urethane comes in a quart size paint can and the catalyst
comes in a bottle. You have to split the mixtures in
half since you will be pouring it half at a time. I
got two quart size sealable food container from the
market for the urethane and two tiny ones to split the
catalyst. I used my wife's food scale to split the mixtures
exactly (by weight) in half. Store one half of it
airtight. Mix the other half real good. Wait about 5 to 10
minutes before pouring to harden it a bit. If you don't
it will run like water.
Let me know if you
need anymore information. It was fun. I alraeady have
it in the car and the vibration is no greater than
the stock mounts, as I can tell. The spark plugs are
much easier to get to. I recommend everyone to replace
your crushed motor mounts.....
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by h-bot » Mon Dec 18, 2000 3:21 pm
From: munciemonza_REMOVE_307371_THIS_@yahoo.com
MOTOR MOUNTS MOTOR MOUNTS:
THATS ALL YOU TALK
ABOUT! WHY DONT YOU JUST GET A MOTOR PLATE.THAT BOLTS TO
THE FRONT OF THE MOTOR.IT WILL GIVE YOU MORE ROOM TO
GET TO THE STARTER,PLUGS.AND THEY LOOK TRICK.IT TAKES
VERY LITTLE WORK TO PUT IN AS WELL.HOOKER MAKES
ONE.LETS JUST GET THE MOTOR IN THE MONZA!
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MOTOR MOUNTS MOTOR MOUNTS:
THATS ALL YOU TALK
ABOUT! WHY DONT YOU JUST GET A MOTOR PLATE.THAT BOLTS TO
THE FRONT OF THE MOTOR.IT WILL GIVE YOU MORE ROOM TO
GET TO THE STARTER,PLUGS.AND THEY LOOK TRICK.IT TAKES
VERY LITTLE WORK TO PUT IN AS WELL.HOOKER MAKES
ONE.LETS JUST GET THE MOTOR IN THE MONZA!
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by h-bot » Mon Dec 18, 2000 3:28 pm
From: ryago1_REMOVE_397613_THIS_@yahoo.com
The stuff is from www.mcmaster.com. Look under
urethane casting. I used the Liquid Urethane 94 shore A
pn# 8644k18 $18.18 and the primer for metal pn#
8644k32 $9.35. I didn't include shipping. If you want
stiffer motor mounts order higher psi specs. I heard
Liquid Urethane 80 shore A works good but is
stiffer.
I plan to use my experience in building some hard
to get parts for my monza.
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The stuff is from www.mcmaster.com. Look under
urethane casting. I used the Liquid Urethane 94 shore A
pn# 8644k18 $18.18 and the primer for metal pn#
8644k32 $9.35. I didn't include shipping. If you want
stiffer motor mounts order higher psi specs. I heard
Liquid Urethane 80 shore A works good but is
stiffer.
I plan to use my experience in building some hard
to get parts for my monza.
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by h-bot » Mon Dec 18, 2000 6:33 pm
From: clemsparks_REMOVE_777769_THIS_@yahoo.com
Uh...munciemonza? i'm not building a racecar. i
want it to look good, not "trick". Engine plates are
for race cars. your 75 pro streeter probably needs
plate, along with about 1000 other custom parts for
racing use. mine's gonna be my daily driver that's not
gonna make lots of power. i'm going to use exhaust
manifolds and some type of engine mounts in the factory
location. i plan on using power steering if possibly and be
totally emissions legal. We're talking apples and oranges
here. I've built a few racecars, not production based
racecars but real-live SCCA TransAm sereis road race
chassis. you need to step back and think a little before
you start spouting off. I guess it's easy to
criticize when you've got an anonymous profile!
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Uh...munciemonza? i'm not building a racecar. i
want it to look good, not "trick". Engine plates are
for race cars. your 75 pro streeter probably needs
plate, along with about 1000 other custom parts for
racing use. mine's gonna be my daily driver that's not
gonna make lots of power. i'm going to use exhaust
manifolds and some type of engine mounts in the factory
location. i plan on using power steering if possibly and be
totally emissions legal. We're talking apples and oranges
here. I've built a few racecars, not production based
racecars but real-live SCCA TransAm sereis road race
chassis. you need to step back and think a little before
you start spouting off. I guess it's easy to
criticize when you've got an anonymous profile!
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by h-bot » Mon Dec 18, 2000 8:55 pm
From: munciemonza_REMOVE_833156_THIS_@yahoo.com
SO WHEN IS TRICK NOT GOOD LOOKING!MY MONZA IS
GOING TO BE A DRIVER ALSO JUST FAST!A MOTOR PLATE HAS
NOTHING TO DO WITH EMISSIONS LEGAL.I THINK WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT PUTTING A SMALL BLOCK IN A MONZA!IF YOU ARE GOING
TO MAKE A LOT OF POWER WHY HANDICAP YOUR SELF WITH
STOCK EXHAUST MANIFOLDS!ANONYMOUS NOT ANY MORE.
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SO WHEN IS TRICK NOT GOOD LOOKING!MY MONZA IS
GOING TO BE A DRIVER ALSO JUST FAST!A MOTOR PLATE HAS
NOTHING TO DO WITH EMISSIONS LEGAL.I THINK WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT PUTTING A SMALL BLOCK IN A MONZA!IF YOU ARE GOING
TO MAKE A LOT OF POWER WHY HANDICAP YOUR SELF WITH
STOCK EXHAUST MANIFOLDS!ANONYMOUS NOT ANY MORE.
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by h-bot » Mon Dec 18, 2000 10:52 pm
From: clemsparks_REMOVE_622685_THIS_@yahoo.com
You're misunderstanding me completely.
I said
it's NOT going to make lots of power.
Trick can
look cool, but it's not the image I'm after, I'm going
more for a sleeper look.
I wasn't implying that
engine plates are not emissions-legal, only that i was
building a car that was emissions legal. Thus my concept
for a more factory look.
Actually I'm talking
about a vega, not that it matters.
Like I said,
we're talking about apples and oranges here.
Your
all-caps typing sends a signal of rage or something, tone
it down a little.
This board is no place for
hostility. I was hoping you'd respond that you were only
joking to begin with and I'd look like a fool.
unfortunately that's not the case, you were serious...and about
subjective matters like how some of us want to put an engine
in our car.
I'm not dogging on engine plates
here, Understand this please, Im Not Dogging On Engine
Plates!!
I just was trying to get you to back off a
little.
I feel silly for going this far with this.
Now
I'll let you have the last word ('cause I know you
will) and we'll be done with
it.
Respectfully
clem
columbia mo
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You're misunderstanding me completely.
I said
it's NOT going to make lots of power.
Trick can
look cool, but it's not the image I'm after, I'm going
more for a sleeper look.
I wasn't implying that
engine plates are not emissions-legal, only that i was
building a car that was emissions legal. Thus my concept
for a more factory look.
Actually I'm talking
about a vega, not that it matters.
Like I said,
we're talking about apples and oranges here.
Your
all-caps typing sends a signal of rage or something, tone
it down a little.
This board is no place for
hostility. I was hoping you'd respond that you were only
joking to begin with and I'd look like a fool.
unfortunately that's not the case, you were serious...and about
subjective matters like how some of us want to put an engine
in our car.
I'm not dogging on engine plates
here, Understand this please, Im Not Dogging On Engine
Plates!!
I just was trying to get you to back off a
little.
I feel silly for going this far with this.
Now
I'll let you have the last word ('cause I know you
will) and we'll be done with
it.
Respectfully
clem
columbia mo
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by h-bot » Mon Dec 18, 2000 11:32 pm
From: munciemonza_REMOVE_700229_THIS_@yahoo.com
CLEM the sleeper thing is ok.but do you think any
motor head is going think you have a 4 banger in your
vega.it just sounds to me like a lot of work riping apart
motor mounts.and trying to get every thing lined
up.when you open the hood on your vega people will not
even care that you went to alot of work to put that v8
in your car.all they will see is all motor.and tell
everyone to look out.if you are not going to put the motor
in until spring.i have a set of stock v8 mounts i
will sell you cheap.the motor in my monza is coming
out then.and i will not need them.i put a 427 in a 66
nova and i did not think it would go in until i made a
set of motor plates.after that it was easy!! i wish
you all the best CLEM.
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CLEM the sleeper thing is ok.but do you think any
motor head is going think you have a 4 banger in your
vega.it just sounds to me like a lot of work riping apart
motor mounts.and trying to get every thing lined
up.when you open the hood on your vega people will not
even care that you went to alot of work to put that v8
in your car.all they will see is all motor.and tell
everyone to look out.if you are not going to put the motor
in until spring.i have a set of stock v8 mounts i
will sell you cheap.the motor in my monza is coming
out then.and i will not need them.i put a 427 in a 66
nova and i did not think it would go in until i made a
set of motor plates.after that it was easy!! i wish
you all the best CLEM.
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by h-bot » Mon Dec 18, 2000 11:43 pm
From: clemsparks_REMOVE_142558_THIS_@yahoo.com
Cool,
thanks. I know not everybody will
appreciate the work, but I will. And hey, I'm building it
for me right?
That's funny how you say nobody will
actually think i've got a 4 cyl in there. most people
don't even know what a vega is anymore (or remember
that they ever existed).
I realize the plates are
easiest. I guess i'm just a glutton for punishment. I'd be
interested in those engine mounts. E-mail me when they're
ready, thanks.
I'm glad we got ourselves back into
perspective!
let us know how your project goes this spring. Thanks
for the info in the profile, congrats on the
grandfatherhood!
later
Clem
Columbia MO
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Cool,
thanks. I know not everybody will
appreciate the work, but I will. And hey, I'm building it
for me right?
That's funny how you say nobody will
actually think i've got a 4 cyl in there. most people
don't even know what a vega is anymore (or remember
that they ever existed).
I realize the plates are
easiest. I guess i'm just a glutton for punishment. I'd be
interested in those engine mounts. E-mail me when they're
ready, thanks.
I'm glad we got ourselves back into
perspective!
let us know how your project goes this spring. Thanks
for the info in the profile, congrats on the
grandfatherhood!
later
Clem
Columbia MO
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by h-bot » Tue Dec 19, 2000 10:49 pm
From: monza75tc_REMOVE_558650_THIS_@yahoo.com
Well, glad you both got over it all. And remember
building these cars are for what we want them, therefore
we make them to suit oursleves. I put a V6 in my 75
Monza, it never came with one, but I was lucky and had a
79 w/V6 to contribute all the parts that I needed.
However, there was a bit of manufacturing and Mickey Mouse
that had to be done. I was lucky I had the resources
at the time to do it. Right now I would not be able
to get it to fit. Just remember you can say I did it
my way when you get it done!!!!
Dick
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Well, glad you both got over it all. And remember
building these cars are for what we want them, therefore
we make them to suit oursleves. I put a V6 in my 75
Monza, it never came with one, but I was lucky and had a
79 w/V6 to contribute all the parts that I needed.
However, there was a bit of manufacturing and Mickey Mouse
that had to be done. I was lucky I had the resources
at the time to do it. Right now I would not be able
to get it to fit. Just remember you can say I did it
my way when you get it done!!!!
Dick
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