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Are we LIABLE?!!

Postby Sunula66 » Sun Jun 15, 2014 1:55 pm

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In recent months the Toyota Motor Corporation and the General Motors Corporation were charged by the Supreme Court in the U.S. and were found to be "Criminally Responsible" in the deaths of several people! They now have the dubious distinction as a "Criminal Operating company operating still and in the U.S.A. and Canada and where ever else these particular models with the problems were sold, sooo....my question to anyone is:
As a person or persons having these particular models in operation and letting them be driven by family , friends etc. or being "rented" or "leased" etc. and having or not, full knowledge of or being aware of such safety impairments with these units, and even in the event of having recently purchased or sold one of these vehicles, does this mean that we too can subsequently be found responsible or sued if God forbid an unfortunate circumstance were to take place? Can we own or sell one of these cars? Do we need to explain to the buyers and users of this type of Toyo or G.M. model that it is under their own risk that they ride in or drive one of these cars? Do we lose value on them? What do we need to know before we get caught up in some legal battle down the road?! I guess in this world of blame, I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole and would want some financial return from Toyota and G.M. now! I would not be surprised that eventually people will wake up and question all of these points soon and the appropriate dealers wind up with a ton of these cars that they had to take back and lose money over, and it looks good on them!!
What have we learned here folks and can we in good conscience operate these types of cars? ..how about some input here from some car guys n girls...let's hear what you have to say ...
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Re: Are we LIABLE?!!

Postby RamIt » Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:24 pm

Is this about the ignition switches?
Simple solution to that one - Don't have 30 keys hanging off your key ring.



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Re: Are we LIABLE?!!

Postby zeke » Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:31 pm

^ +1 lol I used to do that, a million things on my key chain that I didn't really need. Then I realized one day that it's hard on the lock cylinder. I think the ignition issue was in the electrical part of the switch though./
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Re: Are we LIABLE?!!

Postby marco_1978_spyder » Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:46 pm

Remember when a lock cylinder loosening up was a good thing? Meant Having the radio on with the door wide open and giving the key an outward tug to shut the chime off. Meant turning the key from 'run' all the way passed 'off' to 'accy' without loosing a second of your favorite song. Had to work the key realease just right. Those were rights of passage in the 80's with all the aging 70's hand-me-down's. lol.

I've driven 4 different cobalt's around for quite a few miles .. not bad car's. The loss of power steering is pretty predictable. It's brought on by grinding the wheel's on the pavement excessively. Especially if the student driver's foot is inadvertently locked down on the brake pedal. Not sure about the ignitions.

I do know, If you break the pin (plastic of course) that controls the shifter detent the key wont release. But there is a secret button inside the column that will release it.. it's accessed by a removing a hidden plug.
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Re: Are we LIABLE?!!

Postby zeke » Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:30 pm

That's one thing I do like about the body control modules on the newer stuff Mark, the radio doesn't shut off until u open a door. 8)
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Re: Are we LIABLE?!!

Postby starfire » Fri Jun 20, 2014 3:47 pm

My first 1968 Cutlass (in 1976) I could remove the ignition key with the car running. It made it very handy if I needed to get something out of or into the trunk after I had started the car :mrgreen:

Zeke, a major part of the GM ignition switch problem is people with their whole house on their key ring.

Oh and at least two of the drivers in the GM crashes had blood alcohol levels over the legal limit. 4 of the 13 deaths were from one wreck. Doesn't excuse the cover-up that people at GM did about the switch problem, but I suspect much of the issue was operator errors. You'd think the GM people would learn from their history, the botched cover-up of putting Chevy engines into Oldsmobiles in the late '70's comes to mind, but they don't seem to be much into paying attention to history.

In response to the OP, I'm much more worried about some idiot texting or with their dog on their lap (or both) running into me than I am about an ignition switch failure or a stuck gas pedal.
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Re: Are we LIABLE?!!

Postby Monza Harry » Sat Jun 21, 2014 2:42 pm

I believe that the switch is failing and the outer piece is coming off as well so there isn't anything to turn it off with after the failure. The distraction of the handle and your keys falling is enough for a +/- decent driver to get in an accident, just a normal reflex to try and grab them, and at the wrong time could be "very unfortunate"
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the circled part is coming off as well I believe. Harry
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