4 lug questions

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Re: 4 lug questions

Postby spencerforhire » Thu Mar 14, 2013 5:34 pm

Exactly what wheels are you trying to put on the S-10 hubs that won't fit? Any 5x4.75 bolt pattern wheel both OEM & aftermarket should fit.
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Re: 4 lug questions

Postby Elitedragon27 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:15 pm

Well I guess there are not any 5 lug rims for cars then. But I will get pics for you so you know what a hub is for future reference.

I have a set of 5 lug rims that I am wanting to run from American racing but they will not fit onto the hub from an s10. Are there some that have a smaller hub or do I need to get new rims to fit

Some cars have a 60 mm center bore. Some are. 73,74,58 mm. Trucks run the same way the center bore is different. That's why I am wondering if there is a setup that runs a smaller hub.

The lug patter is not an issue that I have it's the the center bore that fits over the hub
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Re: 4 lug questions

Postby cjbiagi » Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:33 pm

Ok, your issue is not with the lug pattern but rather the center bore diameter. I think that's where the confusion is. I don't have an answer but at least now we know what your problem is.
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Re: 4 lug questions

Postby spencerforhire » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:09 pm

There are dozens(hundreds maybe) of members of this board who have S-10 front rotors and rear axles on their H-bodies. No one that I know of has had any problem finding wheels to fit. I suspect the wheels you're trying to put on are the problem.
And fyi, getting defensive and making cracks about us not knowing what a hub is or that we don't know what we're talking about is NOT the way to get advice around here.
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72 Vega HB Drag Car -383/'Glide/9"(9.35@146.19)(5.94@117.28 1/8th)
77 Vega Estate wagon- project(someday)will have TPI305/T-5, S-10 spindles/axles
76 Vega GT- 400/4spd/9" retired from active duty(rusty)
06 Silverado 2WD ex.cab daily
03 Silverado 2WD ex.cab (retired)
06 Haulin' 20ft enclosed car transporter
06 GMC Canyon Shop truck
07 Colorado project( 5.3 4L60e swap)
99 Saturn SL1- wife's car
01 Saturn SC2- son's project
07 Saturn Ion Redline project
and 4 more Saturn "parts cars"
Note- the very act of listing all of these has made me realize I have some kind of problem.....

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Re: 4 lug questions

Postby monzaz » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:15 pm

Well your using mm so he is not from this country for sure. That is why he can not find rims - Other counties 5 lug rims like BMW may fit the lug pattern but do not fit the hub.

SO have the center machined on the axles can not be that much for a machine shp to lathe them up and cut away what you need. Jim
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Re: 4 lug questions

Postby cjbiagi » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:44 pm

Sometimes there is a slight communication issue when dealing with people from different countries, and this goes both ways, not only with out understanding but others understanding us. Different terms can sometimes get confusing. I remember when I first heard the term "bonnet" and "windscreen", what the hell are those? :lol: So we all need to try to best deal with things that are different to us. I wasn't completely sure what the issue is but now I understand. Sometimes a picture can help clarify problems so those can always help. We are all here to try and help each other so we need to try and express out thoughts in a way everyone can understand.
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Re: 4 lug questions

Postby spencerforhire » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:49 pm

Not from a different country; that is unless Utah has seceded from the United States without telling us.
The "fleet"-
72 Vega HB Drag Car -383/'Glide/9"(9.35@146.19)(5.94@117.28 1/8th)
77 Vega Estate wagon- project(someday)will have TPI305/T-5, S-10 spindles/axles
76 Vega GT- 400/4spd/9" retired from active duty(rusty)
06 Silverado 2WD ex.cab daily
03 Silverado 2WD ex.cab (retired)
06 Haulin' 20ft enclosed car transporter
06 GMC Canyon Shop truck
07 Colorado project( 5.3 4L60e swap)
99 Saturn SL1- wife's car
01 Saturn SC2- son's project
07 Saturn Ion Redline project
and 4 more Saturn "parts cars"
Note- the very act of listing all of these has made me realize I have some kind of problem.....

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Re: 4 lug questions

Postby cjbiagi » Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:10 pm

Hmmm, ok. :oops:
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Re: 4 lug questions

Postby monzaz » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:33 pm

Do not be embarrassed...lol. If you do not put your location you'll get stuff like this. Finish the profile and things get clearer.

Were the ones trying to decipher this question that seems to be getting more and more obscure.

Just too much salt lake water I guess. :bang:

I am done with this thread, Just not enough info to work with. Sorry :bored: (for the first time, sorry)

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Re: 4 lug questions

Postby Elitedragon27 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:08 am

I appalogise for my prior comment. I overreacted to some messages I received from individuals making comments that if I can't do something as simple as count a lug count and that If I called parts by what they actualy are then I should not be working on cars. My intent was never to use a 4 lug rim on a 5 lug pattern I was hopping to find a way to get a stronger rear end under the car and maintain the 4 lug pattern. But if I had to go to the s10 system that a lot of people have done in the past I would but I happen to have a couple sets of rims from a few cars that all sit on the same bolt patter but they don't seam to fit the hub.
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Re: 4 lug questions

Postby monzaz » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:22 am

This post cleared up A LOT. OK I will not give up

You can make a rear that will be stronger and with the axle /wheel bolt pattern you want. BUT it will be so expensive to do you can but a complete set of NEW rims for the same price. :)

Really we can do it it is ONLY money.

If you have a torque arm that will be another hurdle that is AGAIN more money.

HERE IS WHAT YOU CAN DO with the stock 7.5 monza rear to make it stronger than stock and really hang in there even at the track with slicks.

custom combo with the stock H-body 7.5 rear and stock 4 lug wheels

NEW true trac posi unit (28 spline unit) 450.00 ish
NEW gears machined to fit the h-body housing (price will very in gear ratio selection 3.23 3.42 3.73 4.10 4.56 150.00-230.00
NEW moser custom c-clip axles (28 spline with 4 on 4 bolt pattern and centering hub to fit stock brakes and drums and factory wheels)300.00 pair
new bearing and seal kit 95.00
New axle bearing and seal kit 35.00 (does both axles)

There is your build. Jim

Will fit all the stock h-body brakes and housing you have.
Call me if you are series and will get the stuff build and shipped for you-

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Re: 4 lug questions

Postby Elitedragon27 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 11:30 am

Thank your your help. I am interested and wild like a full pry e from you. I would not be making this upgrade until ither this winter or the next. I have a bit of bodywork to do first. Probable with a 3.42 gearing.
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Re: 4 lug questions

Postby monzaz » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:04 pm

I am always here if you need me PM Jim

Finish your profile. :) lol. JIm
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Re: 4 lug questions

Postby spencerforhire » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:51 pm

Things are much clearer now; still like to know what wheels are out there that are 5x4.75" but with a smaller than normal hub hole. Something originally from a FWD maybe?
The "fleet"-
72 Vega HB Drag Car -383/'Glide/9"(9.35@146.19)(5.94@117.28 1/8th)
77 Vega Estate wagon- project(someday)will have TPI305/T-5, S-10 spindles/axles
76 Vega GT- 400/4spd/9" retired from active duty(rusty)
06 Silverado 2WD ex.cab daily
03 Silverado 2WD ex.cab (retired)
06 Haulin' 20ft enclosed car transporter
06 GMC Canyon Shop truck
07 Colorado project( 5.3 4L60e swap)
99 Saturn SL1- wife's car
01 Saturn SC2- son's project
07 Saturn Ion Redline project
and 4 more Saturn "parts cars"
Note- the very act of listing all of these has made me realize I have some kind of problem.....

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Re: 4 lug questions

Postby hammerdown7 » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:10 pm

Pictures would still help.

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